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Great! So you can have the most expensive Palm ever known - and with no synching or proper keyboard thrown in!
 
Kid_Eternity said:
Yep there's even less reason for Palm now!:D
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That doesn't even make sense. I can run all those programs on a smaller phone that costs a fraction of the price without having to commit to an expensive 18 month contract (or a lifetime of pissing about with 'jailbreaking'). And, of course, they'd work properly on a Palm. I can't see how software conduits would work.
 
Global_Stoner said:
Advantages I could see is you could put keys where you want, a problem many phones have is that they make shit controllers, but then should we be supprised the iphone has the grunt to run them?
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What are these "keys" you speak of. That is so 20th C... :D Though I'd be more interested in Iphone specific games. Eg, Legos on the Iphone

Kid_Eternity said:
Palm emulated on the iPhone
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Nice. Fun to see the face-off between Apple fan-boys and their Palm counterparts... :D
 
Kid_Eternity said:
Another iPhone usability study - InUse says that iPhone is easy to use, most preferred
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A usability 'study' with a user base of, err just five users! High end stuff indeed!

I'd agree that the iPhone is easier to use for basic phone functions than the HTC and maybe the Nokia, but this report reads like an extraordinarily biased piece of PR fluff:
The results? Stunning. The iPhone has introduced a new interaction paradigm to the world, in an uncompromising way that proves that “less is more” when it comes to true user experience.
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Nine out of ten cats Purrrfur it:

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editor said:
A usability 'study' with a user base of, err just five users! High end stuff indeed!

I'd agree that the iPhone is easier to use for basic phone functions than the HTC and maybe the Nokia, but this report reads like an extraordinarily biased piece of PR fluff:
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Well no one's saying this is hard science or anything...so I wouldn't worry about it.;)
 
So, let me get this straight, this sdk thing means 3rd parties being able to develop software for the iPhone?
 
So you'll be able to install 3rd party software on the iPhone? Meaning that it'll be a smartphone by that wiki definition you dug up a while back. Interesting...
 
Kid_Eternity said:
So you'll be able to install 3rd party software on the iPhone? Meaning that it'll be a smartphone by that wiki definition you dug up a while back. Interesting...
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Yes, it would finally qualify as a smartphone by then (by most definitions, although some may still quibble).
 
Kid_Eternity said:
So, let me get this straight, this sdk thing means 3rd parties being able to develop software for the iPhone?
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Yes, depending on what is actually in the SDK...

Kid_Eternity said:
So you'll be able to install 3rd party software on the iPhone? Meaning that it'll be a smartphone by that wiki definition you dug up a while back. Interesting...
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In theory, yes. But one would have to wait until the roadmap event (and the eventual SDK) before delivery mechanisms where apparent. There's been some discussion/speculation that this might be through iTunes. It might also be able to do it directly...
 
It'll have to go through apple unless they make fundamental changes to the iphone's security model. At the moment, everything runs as root (yep, the iphone is unix at heart). This makes it trivial to create harmful software and virii. Apple either need to get userspace all partitioned off like a normal computer, or they need to have tight quality control over what gets released. My money's on the latter as well.
 
jæd said:
Yes, depending on what is actually in the SDK...



In theory, yes. But one would have to wait until the roadmap event (and the eventual SDK) before delivery mechanisms where apparent. There's been some discussion/speculation that this might be through iTunes. It might also be able to do it directly...
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I see...
 
SDK details, well some of them.

According to several sources familiar with Apple’s iPhone and iPod touch software development kit (SDK) plans, the company will use a March 6 event in Cupertino, California to formally announce a number of potentially controversial limitations on application development and publishing. Our sources spoke on the condition that their comments were not for attribution, independently confirming the following details, and offering differing opinions of their importance. We include both the details and opinions below for your reference.

iTunes Store as hub. Least controversially, Apple plans to require that all mobile applications be distributed through its iTunes Store, making the Store a necessary hub for those interested in browsing or purchasing iPhone and iPod touch software. While one source suggested that a company’s well-trafficked website or product packaging would be considerably more practical places to distribute certain types of software, another source lauded the Store as a logical place for Apple users to locate and purchase applications.

Apple as application picker. The most controversial aspect of Apple’s SDK plan is its intention to formally approve or deny all SDK-based software releases for its devices. Our sources confirm that Apple will act as a gatekeeper for applications, deciding which are and are not worthy of release, and publishing only approved applications to the iTunes Store; a process that will less resemble the iTunes Store’s massive directory of podcasts than its sale of a limited variety of iPod Games. While one source saw this as a positive for major developers, suggesting that Apple will be choked by application submissions and forced to give priority to releases from larger companies, another source disagreed, stating that Apple’s current approval processes for third-party products have resulted in lengthy, needless delays. It is unclear whether Apple will need to approve subsequent bug fixes and feature additions to accepted applications, another issue that could clog the approval system and postpone important improvements.
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Reading through the comments on the link above it seems some of the fans aint happy with this...

I am terribly disappointed. I understand that closed makes the iPhone safe. A book is also safe. A clock radio is safe. A television is safe too. I thought I was buying the world’s most powerful handheld computer. Instead I was buying a closed portal to one company’s view of the world.
Small companies will not be able to innovate applications for the iPhone. Just wiped out what could have been a great cottage industry.
IT organizations will not be able to write and load custom, proprietary applications. Just wiped out a huge opportunity for demand.
Owners will not be able to create their own applications. Most people wouldn’t (and shouldn’t), but that will be all but impossible.
I realize iLounge is bored with reviewing products from second and third tier companies. Much of what they create is boring, useless, or harmful. But that is also where innovation comes from. I am sure the large iPod accessory players will play along, but the ecosystem will be the worse for this.

It is interesting that this news followed after the news of iPhone being highest in corporate satisfaction and second in corporate buying plans. I am absolutely sure the buying plans will change for many corporations when they realize they can’t write and install their own apps. I know mine will.
The only winners here are the hackers. Why bother following the authorized SDK when hacking will be faster, cheaper, and give you access to all of the hardware?

Anybody want to buy a used iPhone?
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I used to be all for the free for all but after the absolute mess Facebook made with their F8 platform I can appreciate why a company would want some quality and strategic control over things like this.
 
Not quite comparable with Facebook though, not in the way apps will manifest. There's loads of rubbish software for Windows, but it doesn't make Windows bad as such?
 
"Apple plans to require that all mobile applications be distributed through its iTunes Store"

That sucks so far it's off the fucking scale.
 
Kid_Eternity said:
I used to be all for the free for all but after the absolute mess Facebook made with their F8 platform I can appreciate why a company would want some quality and strategic control over things like this.
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That's like saying you'd like Microsoft to be in charge of distributing all third party Windows software so that they can keep "quality and strategic control."

It's a bullshit strategy.
 
bullshit indeed. there will be no freeware on the iphone, as getting stuff through apple's certification program will probably not be cheap (in time or money)

this won't go down well, if you ask me.
 
editor said:
That's like saying you'd like Microsoft to be in charge of distributing all third party Windows software so that they can keep "quality and strategic control."

It's a bullshit strategy.
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I don't think it is bullshit though, it makes perfect sense for them to want to control their product. I mean are we really shocked that Apple are acting in this way? :confused:
 
not particularly shocked, but it's still shit. OSX has a fantastic development environment, with access to really powerful libraries, with no restrictions on distribution. The iphone is being locked right down in comparison.
 
Kid_Eternity said:
I don't think it is bullshit though, it makes perfect sense for them to want to control their product.
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I'm not shocked in the slightest, but it is bullshit.

I can't understand how you can defend such a closed proprietary system or why you think it's acceptable for Apple to 'control' and capitalise from every third party program that gets installed on their phone.
 
Crispy said:
not particularly shocked, but it's still shit. OSX has a fantastic development environment, with access to really powerful libraries, with no restrictions on distribution. The iphone is being locked right down in comparison.
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Perhaps Apple might see sense if the jailbreak apps turn out more popular than the officially sanctioned ones...
 
editor said:
I'm not shocked in the slightest, but it is bullshit.

I can't understand how you can defend such a closed proprietary system or why you think it's acceptable for Apple to 'control' and capitalise from every third party program that gets installed on their phone.
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I'm not defending or saying its acceptable just that it's not a surprise and is understandable. It is shit, but not bullshit, just business strategy.
 
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