mattie
missing in inaction
*slow handclap*
Apparently, Feminism is dead!!!
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*slow handclap*
cesare
shady's dreams ♥
Why?
mattie
missing in inaction
Really?
cesare
shady's dreams ♥
Yep, I don't really know why you suddenly popped up on the thread to take a pop at Cheryl Cole tbh.
What's a slow handclap signify? If you want to make a point spit it out.
Otherwise stop saying a woman made a bad life choice cos her fucking HUSBAND kept playing away from home! Bloody men.
mattie
missing in inaction
It's failed badly.
emanymton
A cat politely sat on the flaming gardener.
I don't want to put words into anyone else's mouth but my thoughts are that she has not played men at their own game. She has done well in part by playing the role of male fantasy which is not the same thing at all. The choices she has made have advanced her own position but have done nothing to advance the position of women in society. I don't think she is personally responsible for damaging the position of women in society.
Going back to something that really annoyed me earlier in this thread, there is no contradiction between a women working as a stripper or prostitute and her being a feminist. But that is not the same thing as claiming her work is a act of feminism which advances the cause of women.
I'm some kind of ill-defined leftist but my job does nothing whatsoever to advance leftist causes. I wasn't saying she or anybody else had to advance feminism in her job, I was merely pointing out the ridiculousness of trying to claim that she was a strong female role model. It really does stretch credibility to breaking point. What's next, we say that Miss World is a bastion of female emancipation? Or are we back to the preposterous notion of Thatcher as a feminist?
Other than that, what emanymton said.
Other than that, what emanymton said.
cesare
shady's dreams ♥
And did anyone claim her job was 'an act of feminism' at all?
emanymton
A cat politely sat on the flaming gardener.
Good point, very few. To me being a feminist like being a socialist is something you do within the framework of the job (and sometimes more outside your job) rather than the job itself being feminist or socialist. There is therefore scope for women working in the sex industry (never been completely happy with the term but don't know of another) to act as a feminist but not through her actual work.
emanymton
A cat politely sat on the flaming gardener.
I though you did in the post I quoted to be honest.
Please point out anywhere in 5 years of posting I may have given the impression that I would give anyone an easy time for holding a meeting in a strip club. To be honest, I'm actually quite insulted.
Her videos are a work of fiction. Is it a work of fiction written by men about male fantasy and directed by men, I wonder?
emanymton
A cat politely sat on the flaming gardener.
Or me I would define myself as a socialist but I have ended up working for a bank, the only really connection between my work and my politics is in my role as a union rep.
Grr did not mean to like that lol.
Well thanks for telling me that sex work can't be empowering. Appreciate that.
cesare
shady's dreams ♥
I made a point about feminism, not about Cheryl Cole.
cesare
shady's dreams ♥
Then clarify what you meant by that post.
emanymton
A cat politely sat on the flaming gardener.
How did you mean it?
And my thoughts are not to well worked out in my own head but I think there can a difference between something that is empowering to an individual women and something that advances the cause of women as a whole. I would imagine Thatcher felt very empowered but she did nothing to help other women.
But you did so in a discussion that came out of a specific criticism of Cheryl Cole, in the context of a completely different argument. And that changing of context is, to be honest, half the problem here.
cesare
shady's dreams ♥
It's fine as long as you point out that no work can be empowering. And wait for them to tell you what work *is* empowering.
I think it's as clear as I can make it here and now. I have no time for expansion, hence the short and pithy posts.
cesare
shady's dreams ♥
Sod Cheryl Cole. You said:
And everything I've said to you is in *that* context, not whatever you were discussing with Edie about Cheryl Cole.
sihhi
Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered
How the state's Business, Innovation and Skills Committee is proceeding with its new inquiry into "Women in the Workplace"
http://www.publications.parliament....ct/cmbis/writev/womeninworkplace/contents.htm
The head of mostly women's business organisation 30% Club (company chairs voluntarily committed to bringing more women on company boards) is quite explicit about the drive for more women on boards "I am doing it because I believe that there will be better boards and better investment returns not just for me but for the economy. If companies choose to be listed here, they should respect the infrastructure of the country in which they are listed." (Oral evidence 23 July 2012)
According to the annual review of the Davies report on workplace inequalities, the number of women on FTSE boards is increasing now at 15.5% compared to 12%, 2 years ago. The basic idea behind this liberalism is that once it reaches 30% it will be enough momentum for it to snowball to be close to 50%, without the use of quotas.
Once this happens apparently the structural inequalities (under 4% of pilots women, 75% of cabin crew women) will be put right. So it's a lo-ong evolutionary road for workplace male-female equality, even before you take into account issues over maternity and pregnancy.
http://www.publications.parliament....ct/cmbis/writev/womeninworkplace/contents.htm
The head of mostly women's business organisation 30% Club (company chairs voluntarily committed to bringing more women on company boards) is quite explicit about the drive for more women on boards "I am doing it because I believe that there will be better boards and better investment returns not just for me but for the economy. If companies choose to be listed here, they should respect the infrastructure of the country in which they are listed." (Oral evidence 23 July 2012)
According to the annual review of the Davies report on workplace inequalities, the number of women on FTSE boards is increasing now at 15.5% compared to 12%, 2 years ago. The basic idea behind this liberalism is that once it reaches 30% it will be enough momentum for it to snowball to be close to 50%, without the use of quotas.
Once this happens apparently the structural inequalities (under 4% of pilots women, 75% of cabin crew women) will be put right. So it's a lo-ong evolutionary road for workplace male-female equality, even before you take into account issues over maternity and pregnancy.
Agent Sparrow
the age of slippers and migraines
Hmm, feminist jobs, eh? Not sure if I'd qualify. I hope that a good part of my work involves enhancing the emotional wellbeing of women and children, which is indirectly (and sometimes directly) empowering, and I very much keep my clothes on (in fact I'd be removed from premises pretty sharpish if I didn't 
). But then it's also a caring role and therefore as gender typed as you get. So meh.
Maybe I should become an actuary. I knows Mrs Kabbes does it but it doesn't strike me as a particularly female dominated profession
Edit: or maybe the serious part of this post is that many feminists also fit certain feminine, gender typed ideals, and whilst I would be
at the idea of Cheryl being hailed a feminist icon, where do we start to draw the line? There's somethIng a bit dodgy about making clear rules for the club.
). But then it's also a caring role and therefore as gender typed as you get. So meh. Maybe I should become an actuary. I knows Mrs Kabbes does it but it doesn't strike me as a particularly female dominated profession
Edit: or maybe the serious part of this post is that many feminists also fit certain feminine, gender typed ideals, and whilst I would be
at the idea of Cheryl being hailed a feminist icon, where do we start to draw the line? There's somethIng a bit dodgy about making clear rules for the club.Similar threads
