Anti UKIP protest 'Tell Farage to Fek off' - April 23rd Gateshead

[amonkeyscousin?]

whens the one against Miliband ?

When are you free?

 

[Citizen66]

I agree alcohol is produced by scum capitalists and causes serious social problems. I'm all for compromises and regulation on that too. We're discussing smoking though.

We were discussing smoking in pubs. We also drink in pubs.

 

[Casually Red]

We were discussing smoking in pubs. We also drink in pubs.

a lot of people regard that as a filthy habit . Banned outright in a lot of countries .

 

[amonkeyscousin?]

How many times does it need to be said? Me having a pint harms no one else. Me having a fag does. I really don't get how you can so vehemently defend smoking.

Taken as whole your drinking does harm many people who are behind you in a&e queue theoretically.

 

[Doctor Carrot]

no, explain it . People in fast food outlets and kitchens have to wear hats . Ive to wear a mask . It goes with loads of jobs . Its a minor inconvenience at most .

So you honestly want your beer served to you by someone wearing a face mask? Gas mask in fact if they wanna fully protect themselves because you can't handle being told what to do? You work in a chemical plant, a place solely for producing chemicals, bar staff work in bars a place solely for serving drinks and food, not having to suck in fumes from the selfish habits of po faced morons.

 

[Citizen66]

a lot of people regard that as a filthy habit . Banned outright in a lot of countries .

More harmful than passive smoking if someone glasses you when all brave after a couple.

 

[Doctor Carrot]

Taken as whole your drinking does harm many people who are behind you in a&e queue theoretically.

That's obvious isn't? Why even go there? That happens to some people some times. Every time someone has a fag around someone they're damaging themselves and other people, every time, without fail.

 

[Doctor Carrot]

More harmful than passive smoking if someone glasses you when all brave after a couple.

Oh come on this is pathetic. Are we really doing 'well some people get drunk and violent therefore booze is worse than smoking?'

 

[amonkeyscousin?]

That's obvious isn't? Why even go there? That happens to some people some times. Every time someone has a fag around someone they're damaging themselves and other people, every time, without fail.

Sorry but I took you as implying that having a "drink" was harmless. Is that not what you're saying?

 

[Citizen66]

Oh come on this is pathetic. Are we really doing 'well some people get drunk and violent therefore booze is worse than smoking?'

I don't see you making the argument that alcohol should be regulated in some way because of the dangers it poses.

 

[amonkeyscousin?]

Oh come on this is pathetic. Are we really doing 'well some people get drunk and violent therefore booze is worse than smoking?'

Alcohol isn't the problem its(with all respect) the individual that uses it. This applies to all drugs IMO.

 

[Doctor Carrot]

Sorry but I took you as implying that having a "drink" was harmless. Is that not what you're saying?

No what I'm saying is me having a couple of pints is only harming myself through effects of ill health. I might harm other people if I drink far too much and turn into a violent twat. I've never done that, been a twat yes but not a violent one that harmed anyone else, required emergency services and so on. However, every time I smoke a fag I'm harming myself and the health of anyone in the vicinity of me regardless of how few I smoke, the more I smoke the more I harm myself and others. Not only that I make other people's clothes and hair stink, cough, hurt their eyes etc. None of this happens to other people as a result of me drinking a pint or two.

 

[amonkeyscousin?]

I don't see you making the argument that alcohol should be regulated in some way because of the dangers it poses.

Its already regulated I'm sure.

 

[Citizen66]

Its already regulated I'm sure.

Clearly not sufficiently if it's still causing problems?

 

[Doctor Carrot]

Alcohol isn't the problem its(with all respect) the individual that uses it. This applies to all drugs IMO.

Of course but you can't say that with smoking in a place packed with other people.

 

[amonkeyscousin?]

No what I'm saying is me having a couple of pints is only harming myself through effects of ill health. I might harm other people if I drink far too much and turn into a violent twat. I've never done that, been a twat yes but not a violent one that harmed anyone else, required emergency services and so on. However, every time I smoke a fag I'm harming myself and the health of anyone in the vicinity of me regardless of how few I smoke, the more I smoke the more I harm myself and others. Not only that I make other people's clothes and hair stink, cough, hurt their eyes etc. None of this happens to other people as a result of me drinking a pint or two.

That's OK then!

 

[Citizen66]

And only the sale of is regulated. Not the consumption.

 

[amonkeyscousin?]

Clearly not sufficiently if it's still causing problems?

Ban it for me mate.

 

[Doctor Carrot]

I don't see you making the argument that alcohol should be regulated in some way because of the dangers it poses.

Well yeah because we're not talking about the dangers of alcohol and should it be regulated and so on. Start another thread if you wanna do that. We could go on forever if we start bringing other drugs into this conversation. Let's just stick with fags for now, agreed?

 

[Citizen66]

Ban it for me mate.

I'm anarchist. Banning things doesn't work.

 

[Casually Red]

So you honestly want your beer served to you by someone wearing a face mask? Gas mask in fact if they wanna fully protect themselves because you can't handle being told what to do? You work in a chemical plant, a place solely for producing chemicals, bar staff work in bars a place solely for serving drinks and food, not having to suck in fumes from the selfish habits of po faced morons.

I dont give a fuck what they wear as long as they serve me my drink and give me the correct change . Ive to wear a mask . People who work with food have to wear gloves, hats, beard nets, hair nets . People who work on building sites or in warehouses are issued hard hats .
And I go into a pub specifically to be selfish . To relax , to socialise , to wind down and have me time indulging myself with the products on offer there . They dont . They go there to work just like me and many others go to our workplaces and have to wear stuff for health and safety reasons. Its a pain in the hole but it goes with the job

so why are they superior to all of us ?

 

[amonkeyscousin?]

Of course but you can't say that with smoking in a place packed with other people.

Ban cigarettes too IMO. They truelly are dangerous, whereas the illegal drugs cause very little harm and would cause even less harm if production was regulated.

 

[Citizen66]

Well yeah because we're not talking about the dangers of alcohol and should it be regulated and so on. Start another thread if you wanna do that. We could go on forever if we start bringing other drugs into this conversation. Let's just stick with fags for now, agreed?

Yes boss. I still don't see why it should be ALL pubs where smoking is forbidden.

 

[amonkeyscousin?]

I'm anarchist. Banning things doesn't work.

Quite. I smoke myself for the record.

 

[Doctor Carrot]

Yes boss. I still don't see why it should be ALL pubs where smoking is forbidden.

Nor do I if the staff who work there had a say in it but they don't.

 

[Citizen66]

Nor do I if the staff who work there had a say in it but they don't.

Oh, don't know why we're arguing then.

 

[Doctor Carrot]

I dont give a fuck what they wear as long as they serve me my drink and give me the correct change . Ive to wear a mask . People who work with food have to wear gloves, hats, beard nets, hair nets . People who work on building sites or in warehouses are issued hard hats .
And I go into a pub specifically to be selfish . To relax , to socialise , to wind down and have me time indulging myself with the products on offer there . They dont . They go there to work just like me and many others go to our workplaces and have to wear stuff for health and safety reasons. Its a pain in the hole but it goes with the job

so why are they superior to all of us ?

You're making a ridiculous straw man tbh. I'm sure you're smart enough to realise that.

 

[Casually Red]

Its no more ridiculous than when someone first told me theyre actually banning smoking in pubs . And no more ridiculous than when I saw OAPs standing in the driving rain and snow outside pubs . And no more ridiculous than when I actually saw pubs closing down all over the place for the first time in my life, and Im no spring chicken .

 

[Doctor Carrot]

Its no more ridiculous than when someone first told me theyre actually banning smoking in pubs . And no more ridiculous than when I saw OAPs standing in the driving rain and snow outside pubs . And no more ridiculous than when I actually saw pubs closing down all over the place for the first time in my life, and Im no spring chicken .

Yeah see I personally don't buy the argument that pubs have closed down because of the smoking ban. The evidence for that argument is extremely mixed AFAIK.

 

[amonkeyscousin?]

Yeah see I personally don't buy the argument that pubs have closed down because of the smoking ban. The evidence for that argument is extremely mixed AFAIK.

Ye, it coincided with "recession"