Anti UKIP protest 'Tell Farage to Fek off' - April 23rd Gateshead

[tony.c]

And how it works in most of the world.

Less and less these days fortunately.

 

[Casually Red]

thats called imperialism

 

[Doctor Carrot]

if people are smoking in it and you dont like it then dont go into it, its pretty simple. And how it works in most of the world.

It's not just the customers though it's the staff who work there too and there's less choice in that. I accept it was poorly thought out for things like shisha cafes as many closed down due to the ban but I am in favour of the law overall. Perhaps if there was some democracy in the work place the staff members could choose whether they wanted to allow smoking or not but there isn't.

 

[tony.c]

thats called imperialism

Or liberation.

 

[Awesome Wells]

im opposed to the anti smoking laws. I think a grown adult should have a choice when they go into a pub whether they smoke or not, or whether they go in or not. And pubs shpuld be able to choose whether they permit or not. Like they have done since pubs were first invented.
They arent health spas, they arent gyms. Theyre pubs. There is fuck all in there thats good for you. And adults should simply have a choice. Its a ridiculous law, its like your mum or your schoolteacher following you into the pub . I wholeheartedly agree with farages opposition to it, not just as a smoker but as a grown adult . And if we are going to be consistently left wing then Smirnoff Diageo and wetherspoons need banned too then. Because thats bad for you .

And the people who don't smoke who have to breathe smoke in?

 

[butchersapron]

Staff should be the ones who vote.

 

[DotCommunist]

iirc private members clubs tried to get exemption based on members voting to smoke but that got kyboshed because they have employees. Fair enough.

iirc you can still have a smoke in the HoC bar which seems to be a bit of a pisstake. I mean, in the scheme of things its minor, but its just another fuck-you to everyone else

 

[emanymton]

fine, so before you work there the publican has to tell you whether or not its a smoking or non smoking pub. And if its a health and safety issue then concerned staff can even be issued with full face 3M masks like I have to wear at work for health and safety issues.

Yeah 'if you don't like it fuck off and get another job' is a great left wing position.

And face masks, in a pub, really?

 

[butchersapron]

Yeah 'if you don't like it fuck off and get another job' is a great left wing position.

And face masks, in a pub, really?

They should count themselves lucky - on another thread he's justifying the real life torture and murder of someone with different politics.

 

[Fozzie Bear]

There is no way the ban on smoking in workplaces will be repealed.

But I think there is still quite a bit of resentment/nostalgia about it, along with a perceived erosion of "our way of life". So it makes sense for UKIP to campaign on it.

Not a great platform for anti-UKIP campaigns though.

 

[DotCommunist]

part an parcel with the whole 'were being run by diktat from brussels/the council/etc' line. Also its red tape and I'm pretty certain ukip are against that

 

[Citizen66]

You have a choice whether you drink alcohol or not. You don't get secondary liver damage because of other people drinking. That's the difference.
And you don't come out of a pub smelling of someone else's booze. Unless they've spilled it on you, or thrown it over you.

You don't with cigarettes either. Unless you travelled to the pub in a time machine.

 

[tony.c]

You don't with cigarettes either. Unless you travelled to the pub in a time machine.

I don't have a Tardis, but I do have a memory, and I remember coming out of pubs with my clothes stinking like an ashtray.

 

[Citizen66]

I don't have a Tardis, but I do have a memory, and I remember coming out of pubs with my clothes stinking like an ashtray.

Oh is Farrage wanting cigs in pubs again then? I think publicans/drinkers should be given the choice.

 

[Louis MacNeice]

a pubs no place for kids. If you want some socially la dee deh healthfood creche of a pub then go to one. People who want something different should have that choice too .

Nice of you to address one of my four points, albeit just with assertion and stereotype...care to have another go at defending your particular brand of self centred conservatism?

Cheers - Louis MacNeice

 

[Louis MacNeice]

thats called imperialism

Or clutching at contrarian straws. You might to look at the Institute for Ideas; you'd keep all your desired 'edginess', minus the third international baggage...give it a go, you might like it.

Cheers - Louis MacNeice

 

[Casually Red]

And the people who don't smoke who have to breathe smoke in?

they can go out and sit in the little fucking bantustans outside they created for us and we will leave them alone . If they like fresh air that much they should go out and sit in it . Breathe it in to their little hearts content.

 

[Casually Red]

Or clutching at contrarian straws. You might to look at the Institute for Ideas; you'd keep all your desired 'edginess', minus the third international baggage...give it a go, you might like it.

Cheers - Louis MacNeice

horseshit. I travel when i get the chance. Most normal countries you can still smoke in pubs. Even when the law supposedly said no. Theres no problem smoking in most pubs in Germany, the people there just didnt stand for it. Sensible compromises were made. Institute and edginess fuck all. It bloody killed pubs. Its a pain in the arse over here now.

 

[Casually Red]

Or liberation.

one mans freedom fighter..etc

 

[Louis MacNeice]

they can go out and sit in the little fucking bantustans outside they created for us and we will leave them alone . If they like fresh air that much they should go out and sit in it . Breathe it in to their little hearts content.

Oh I see now; the whole thing is just an act. Apologies for the intrusion; I'll leave you alone with your pretend anger and fag end soviet nostalgia.

Cheerio - Louis MacNeice

 

[Awesome Wells]

they can go out and sit in the little fucking bantustans outside they created for us and we will leave them alone . If they like fresh air that much they should go out and sit in it . Breathe it in to their little hearts content.

Why should non smokers be inconvenienced? The default state of being is that people don't smoke and don't breathe out the refuse. Surely if that's what you want to do, that's your responsibility to process.

I really don't see how anyone can argue about personal freedom, as Farage liekes to do, when you're making the immediate environment unpleasant for others.

If cigarettes were entirely self contained, I'd have no problem.

 

[Casually Red]

Oh I see now; the whole thing is just an act. Apologies for the intrusion; I'll leave you alone with your pretend anger and fag end soviet nostalgia.

Cheerio - Louis MacNeice

how difficult is this for you to understand ? In other parts of europe grown adults have a choice. Its as simple as that. Theres only one pub over here I can still smoke in. Another that sort of let you after 12 oclock. One I was in last week with over 30 people in the smoking area and about 4 in the bar..bloody ridiculous. Id simply like that choice to be widened.
Nothing to with nostalgia, I can still actually do it of occasion. But if I was in Berlin I could do it all the time, because the ban wasnt accepted.
Nothing to do with the soviets. Everything to do with people having an actual say and being able to retain one of lifes small pleasures.

 

[Louis MacNeice]

Why should non smokers be inconvenienced? The default state of being is that people don't smoke and don't breathe out the refuse. Surely if that's what you want to do, that's your responsibility to process.

I really don't see how anyone can argue about personal freedom, as Farage liekes to do, when you're making the immediate environment unpleasant for others.

If cigarettes were entirely self contained, I'd have no problem.

It's traditional like high rates of infant mortality and short life expectancy...so we should all embrace it and shut up whining...I suggest we go further and dig up the drains and water pipes so we can start to take personal responsibility for our own sanitation...if you don't like it you don't have to do it.

Cheers - Louis MacNeice

 

[Louis MacNeice]

how difficult is this for you to understand ? In other parts of europe grown adults have a choice. Its as simple as that. Theres only one pub over here I can still smoke in. Another that sort of let you after 12 oclock. One I was in last week with over 30 people in the smoking area and about 4 in the bar..bloody ridiculous. Id simply like that choice to be widened.
Nothing to with nostalgia, I can still actually do it of occasion. But if I was in Berlin I could do it all the time, because the ban wasnt accepted.
Nothing to do with the soviets. Everything to do with people having an actual say and being able to retain one of lifes small pleasures.

I'm not the one with the difficulty understanding. All I'm pointing out is your selfishness (smoking in a confined space is intrinsically selfish...you don't do it in a car with kids, you don't do it in a pub with bar staff neither of whom are genuinely free to walk away from the situation), which you are trying to portray as some sort of liberation struggle; it's a mildly amusing act but surely you're not serious?

Louis MacNeice

 

[Casually Red]

im after telling you i do do it in bars..as do a lot of others ...can you read ?

 

[Fozzie Bear]

im after telling you i do do it in bars..as do a lot of others ...can you read ?

What are you whining about then?

 

[DownwardDog]

thats called imperialism

Lenin was vehemently anti smoking once he packed in. He didn't allow smoking in the train from Lac de Genève to the Finlandski Vokzal. Edmund Wilson said so.

 

[Casually Red]

Lenin was vehemently anti smoking once he packed in. He didn't allow smoking in the train from Lac de Genève to the Finlandski Vokzal. Edmund Wilson said so.

and look what happened next

 

[DotCommunist]

James the first of England was also notoriously anti-smoking. As evidenced in his piece 'a counterblast to tobacco'

 

[Casually Red]

James the first of England was also notoriously anti-smoking. As evidenced in his piece 'a counterblast to tobacco'