Anti UKIP protest 'Tell Farage to Fek off' - April 23rd Gateshead

[Citizen66]

Why should non smokers be inconvenienced? The default state of being is that people don't smoke and don't breathe out the refuse. Surely if that's what you want to do, that's your responsibility to process.

Why does everything have to be one or the other? Either smoke everywhere or smoke nowhere. Why can't there be smoking pubs and non smoking ones?

 

[DotCommunist]

us tokers lost this argument years ago.

 

[SikhWarrioR]

Smoking and non-smoking Railway carriages those who wanted to smoke sat in the smokers those who didnt want to smoke sat in the non-smokers simples and everyone was happy untill someone went for overkill and banned the lot

 

[SikhWarrioR]

So it looks like there is no real difference between UKIP and the conservatives then

 

[classicdish]

iirc you can still have a smoke in the HoC bar which seems to be a bit of a pisstake. I mean, in the scheme of things its minor, but its just another fuck-you to everyone else

Not true: http://www.publications.parliament....d/cm070611/text/70611w0004.htm#07061114000542

Palace of Westminster: Smoking
Mr. Dai Davies: To ask the hon. Member for North Devon, representing the House of Commons Commission whether legislation covering smoking in
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public places will be applied to the Palace of Westminster and all its outbuildings within the Parliamentary estate. [141621]

Nick Harvey: As I said in my reply to the hon. Member for Aberdeen, North (Mr. Doran) on 20 March 2007,Official Report, column 757W:

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  “The Health Act 2006 introduces a ban on smoking in workplaces and enclosed or substantially enclosed public places from 1 July 2007. While the Act does not formally apply on the parliamentary estate, the Commission, on the advice of the Administration Committee, has decided that the House should comply with the principles of the legislation, as it is not desirable that those who work on or visit the parliamentary estate should be treated differently in this respect than in other workplaces and public places. The Commission recognises, however, that many who work on the estate are unavoidably present for long periods, particularly when the House is sitting. It is therefore desirable to make reasonable provision for those who wish to smoke to do so, provided that the health and safety of other users of the estate is not adversely affected.
  

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  With these principles in mind, the Commission has decided that smoking should cease to be permitted from 1 July 2007 in all internal areas of the House of Commons estate, including in bars and private offices. From that date smoking will, however, be permitted in four designated external areas: the Terrace, Commons Court (North West corner), North Terrace (between Portcullis House and Norman Shaw South), and in a designated area on the west side of Canon Row courtyard. Cigarette receptacles will be provided in these areas. “No Smoking” signs will be displayed at entrances to the buildings. I understand that the House of Lords Administration and Works Committee will report its recommendations shortly on the smoking policy for the Lords part of the Parliamentary Estate.”
  

I understand that the House of Lords agreed to the recommended policy on Wednesday 9 May.

 

[krink]

a gang of edl turned up. apparently ukip's new footsoldiers?

 

[Casually Red]

Oh I see now; the whole thing is just an act. Apologies for the intrusion; I'll leave you alone with your pretend anger and fag end soviet nostalgia.

Cheerio - Louis MacNeice

a guy who signs of every last post with cheers Louis Macniece accusing someone else of pretentiousness

piss off Louis MacNiece . Cheers.

 

[Casually Red]

us tokers lost this argument years ago.

we never got to have it . It was a done deal and everyone turned over . In Germany they didnt , it was seen as authoritarian and there was a big social and legal scrap and now people have a choice . Warning on the door, enter at your own risk for the pubs that permit it. Works well as far as I can see .

 

[Casually Red]

Why does everything have to be one or the other? Either smoke everywhere or smoke nowhere. Why can't there be smoking pubs and non smoking ones?

because that might smack of not everybody complying with an edict . There wouldnt be a hunted minority then . A them to look down your nose at . They controlled everybody .

 

[Doctor Carrot]

we never got to have it . It was a done deal and everyone turned over . In Germany they didnt , it was seen as authoritarian and there was a big social and legal scrap and now people have a choice . Warning on the door, enter at your own risk for the pubs that permit it. Works well as far as I can see .

Did the people who work in these pubs have a say or just the people who run the pubs?

 

[Citizen66]

because that might smack of not everybody complying with an edict . There wouldnt be a hunted minority then . A them to look down your nose at . They controlled everybody .

The biggest kick in the knackers is standing in the freezing cold huddled in a doorway and having them walking past tutting and wafting their noses. Or getting a nice table in the beer garden in the summer and the fuckers following you out there and doing their sarcastic coughs there too.

You wanted us out there, so tough shit.

 

[Casually Red]

Did the people who work in these pubs have a say or just the people who run the pubs?

are you saying people who work in pubs get a say ?

I work in a chemical plant . If theres something nasty in the atmosphere Im required to wear a face mask, for 12 hours at a time barring breaks . I dont get a say in it, even though I chose to work there knowing there would be . Why are they superior to me and not forced to wear one ? Why am I not allowed to say that stuff shouldnt be in my workplace ? Wheres my say ?

 

[Casually Red]

The biggest kick in the knackers is standing in the freezing cold huddled in a doorway and having them walking past tutting and wafting their noses. Or getting a nice table in the beer garden in the summer and the fuckers following you out there and doing their sarcastic coughs there too.

You wanted us out there, so tough shit.

non smokers should be banned from beer gardens . Fuck off with that the cunts

 

[Doctor Carrot]

The biggest kick in the knackers is standing in the freezing cold huddled in a doorway and having them walking past tutting and wafting their noses. Or getting a nice table in the beer garden in the summer and the fuckers following you out there and doing their sarcastic coughs there too.

You wanted us out there, so tough shit.

How often does this actually happen though? Someone wafting their nose at me has happened once in the 16 years I've been smoking.

 

[Casually Red]

How often does this actually happen though? Someone wafting their nose at me has happened once in the 16 years I've been smoking.

they do it behind your back

 

[Doctor Carrot]

are you saying people who work in pubs get a say ?

I work in a chemical plant . If theres something nasty in the atmosphere Im required to wear a face mask, for 12 hours at a time barring breaks . I dont get a say in it, even though I chose to work there knowing there would be . Why are they superior to me and not forced to wear one ? Why am I not allowed to say that stuff shouldnt be in my workplace ? Wheres my say ?

What a ridiculous response. So people working minimum wage jobs in pubs should wear a face mask because you're too up your own arsehole to pop outside and pump your own body with shit? Too arrogant and just want to make some sort of spurious 'don't tell me what to do' point and pollute someone else's working and leisure environment and put their health at risk? I mean fuck it why stop at pubs? Why not bring back smoking on buses too while we're at it? We can have smoking and non smoking buses. If the driver and other passengers don't like it then fuck 'em they can just wear face masks. I like to light up in the morning with my coffee.

 

[Citizen66]

How often does this actually happen though? Someone wafting their nose at me has happened once in the 16 years I've been smoking.

Louloubelle used to always moan about people smoking outside!

The other downside is you always get the procession of ponces parading past wanting handouts. I'm not against giving a couple of folk a spare ciggie, but not half my bloody pack.

 

[Doctor Carrot]

they do it behind your back

Like I give a fuck? I don't know about it so I don't care. Smoking is a filthy fucking habbit, you know it and I know it. It's full of shit and produced by the worst kinds of capitalists going. I don't know why you're defending it really. As a smoker I'm perfectly fine with the smoking ban.

 

[Citizen66]

What a ridiculous response. So people working minimum wage jobs in pubs should wear a face mask because you're too up your own arsehole to pop outside and pump your own body with shit?

Of course nobody on minimum wage smoke and would hate the thought of being able to light up on the job in the warm.

 

[Casually Red]

What a ridiculous response. So people working minimum wage jobs in pubs should wear a face mask because you're too up your own arsehole to pop outside and pump your own body with shit? Too arrogant and just want to make some sort of spurious 'don't tell me what to do' point and pollute someone else's working and leisure environment and put their health at risk? I mean fuck it why stop at pubs? Why not bring back smoking on buses too while we're at it? We can have smoking and non smoking buses. If the driver and other passengers don't like it then fuck 'em they can just wear face masks. I like to light up in the morning with my coffee.

I asked you before. Whats wrong with wearing a face mask ? Im expected to in my job...so are all the other lads . Why are they superior to us ? Whats wrong with it ?

 

[Citizen66]

Like I give a fuck? I don't know about it so I don't care. Smoking is a filthy fucking habbit, you know it and I know it. It's full of shit and produced by the worst kinds of capitalists going.

Wow. So is drinking. Maybe avoid pubs altogether then?

 

[Doctor Carrot]

Louloubelle used to always moan about people smoking outside!

The other downside is you always get the procession of ponces parading past wanting handouts. I'm not against giving a couple of folk a spare ciggie, but not half my bloody pack.

It's never really happened to me personally and those people can do one, frankly. Pushing me outside is a compromise and one I'm happy to make. The ponces I just say no to.

 

[amonkeyscousin?]

He's not dead so it wasn't a success.

 

[Doctor Carrot]

Wow. So is drinking. Maybe avoid pubs altogether then?

How many times does it need to be said? Me having a pint harms no one else. Me having a fag does. I really don't get how you can so vehemently defend smoking.

 

[Casually Red]

He's not dead so it wasn't a success.

whens the one against Miliband ?

 

[Doctor Carrot]

I asked you before. Whats wrong with wearing a face mask ? Im expected to in my job...so are all the other lads . Why are they superior to us ? Whats wrong with it ?

You're making a ridiculous comparison and you know it. Do you want me to spell out to you why it's ridiculous or shall we just leave it there?

 

[Citizen66]

How many times does it need to be said? Me having a pint harms no one else. Me having a fag does. I really don't get how you can so vehemently defend smoking.

You said it like alcohol isn't produced by capitalists. Alcohol has major social and health issues tied with it too.

 

[Casually Red]

You're making a ridiculous comparison and you know it. Do you want me to spell out to you why it's ridiculous or shall we just leave it there?

no, explain it . People in fast food outlets and kitchens have to wear hats . Ive to wear a mask . It goes with loads of jobs . Its a minor inconvenience at most . So why are barstaff superior .

 

[Casually Red]

You said it like alcohol isn't produced by capitalists. Alcohol has major social issues tied with it too.

I avoid city centres at night because of alcohol, not fags .

 

[Doctor Carrot]

You said it like alcohol isn't produced by capitalists. Alcohol has major social issues tied with it too.

I agree alcohol is produced by scum capitalists and causes serious social problems. I'm all for compromises and regulation on that too. We're discussing smoking though.