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I reported it too. I asked 'how much longer we are going to have to put up with such obvious trolling.'
Another spoiled little man goes a US gun rampage (six people murdered in Santa Barbara)
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I reported it too. I asked 'how much longer we are going to have to put up with such obvious trolling.'
Yuwipi Woman
Whack-A-Mole Queen
Not a chance. I predict that the gentleman who lost his son will be harassed by people who don't want gun control, much as some of the Sandy Hook parents have been. Have you heard of Sandy Hook "truthers"?
http://www.salon.com/2013/01/09/the_worst_sandy_hook_conspiracy_theory_yet/
weltweit
Well-Known Member
Not even a check for known mental health issues before being allowed to buy a gun?
It's not so much the quantity that bothers me, although that's a lot of mags. It's the fact he travelled to 3 different areas to purchase the guns. That would have been an automatic flag on the system if I wrote the software.
Also, even if he'd only purchased one gun. If the cops had known this when they visited him, we might not be posting here.
I can't play a role at all; I have no social persona - just myself and as a result I can't thrive in social environments
Yuwipi Woman
Whack-A-Mole Queen
It varies by state, but as I understand it that state's trigger for qualifying for mental illness was if someone had been involuntarily committed. He had a history of counseling, but no history of being committed.
equationgirl
Respect my existence or expect my resistance
Same here, as well as some of the earlier posts. Unacceptable.
It's not just 'people', that model didn't come from nowhere, it came from and comes from psychiatry, and is promoted throughout the media. The point I was making the other day that you didn't see the point of was that we don't have to think about mental illness in the terms or the model given to us by psychiatrists. We can challenge that.
Yuwipi Woman
Whack-A-Mole Queen
It is, but I doubt if he's alone in that. If the ATF ever raided my house, it'd be described in the news reports as a "compound."
weltweit
Well-Known Member
Oh ok, thanks for that. I suppose at least there is some check being made - though here, in the UK, a lot of quite ill people don't get committed.
Johnny Canuck3
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Following this latest killing spree, as with all the others, US pro gun types were blogging how it proved that people needed guns in order to protect themselves from people like Rodger.
smmudge
i know the smudge is true
Well yes and no..I've read enough Foucault to know the hand psychiatry has played in policing social norms
...but the values and ideologies of psychiatry come from somewhere as well, it doesn't stop at the psychiatric institution. It's a wider security regime put in place, primarily by modernism (capitalism), nationalism..whatever. Basically culture. But yeah, I'm definitely in agreement that these terms can be challenged, but - and I think this is part of the problem we've been having here! - trying to talk about mental health is almost impossible without using language safeguarded/authorised by psychiatry. Personally I think the answer lies in integrating mental health within the social model of disability, since that moves away from medicalisation with the whole ''nothing about us without us', but i dunno, some don't agree, it's difficult.
Yuwipi Woman
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Yuwipi Woman
Whack-A-Mole Queen
It was ever thus.
Guns in the right hands magically create a protective shield, do they? That's the first I've heard of it.
Also, to shoot somebody before they shoot you, you have to 1) see them in time 2) shoot first and 3) hit first. IMHO very few people, even those who are very competent when it comes to using a gun on non human moving targets, would be able to do that in an emergency.
One day, it won't be.
Johnny Canuck3
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Something further regarding abuse; stud
I didn't say I agree with them: that's just what they've been blogging.
I didn't say I agree with them: that's just what they've been blogging.
I neither assumed nor said that you agreed with them.
OTOH IMHO the arguement about guns being useful for general protection, no matter who puts it forward, has long since worn thin.
Well yes and no..I've read enough Foucault to know the hand psychiatry has played in policing social norms
I didn't mean it in a foucault sense, more as a cultural product, as you say.
One of the things about mental 'illness' is that it becomes reified, becomes something someone has, implies a permanence, rather than a state that can change. For me, saying 'i was ill' is not the same as saying 'i had an illness'. I can be ill and then not be, i can change.
Agree it's difficult!
Posting on phone, bit inarticulate
The above doesn't really make sense. Can't think when I post from a phone.
I should have said 'I am ill' is to me quite different to saying 'I have an illness'. I put it it the past tense last night because I think sometimes we don't know that we're emotionally unwell until after, but that confuses my point, which is that mental states are fluid and dynamic, we can move from being mad to more in touch states of mind from moment to moment, and over longer periods of time.
I think there is a point at which distress becomes so debilitating and/or destructive that it becomes something that can be described as illness, and I'm not opposed to the term illness to describe those states. I'm also not completely opposed to diagnostic categories, they can be helpful, so long as the people using them are mindful of the cultural context that produces and reproduces them, but I'd like to think about mental illness in a way that takes it back into the community, rather than being solely defined by 'experts'. I'm not sure about how this would occur in a capitalist society - it seems something that could be possible only in small autonomous communities.
I should have said 'I am ill' is to me quite different to saying 'I have an illness'. I put it it the past tense last night because I think sometimes we don't know that we're emotionally unwell until after, but that confuses my point, which is that mental states are fluid and dynamic, we can move from being mad to more in touch states of mind from moment to moment, and over longer periods of time.
I think there is a point at which distress becomes so debilitating and/or destructive that it becomes something that can be described as illness, and I'm not opposed to the term illness to describe those states. I'm also not completely opposed to diagnostic categories, they can be helpful, so long as the people using them are mindful of the cultural context that produces and reproduces them, but I'd like to think about mental illness in a way that takes it back into the community, rather than being solely defined by 'experts'. I'm not sure about how this would occur in a capitalist society - it seems something that could be possible only in small autonomous communities.
likesfish
You can't park here sir
If you do practical style shooting or ispc pistol shooting 10 magazines isnt an awful lot.
Its only a 100 rounds and california restricts the size of pistol magazines a normal glock mag can hold 17.
Having been prescribed anti pyschotics would be an automatic fail in the uk to getting a firearms licence.
A mental health evaluation is a non starter to get a firearm licence the cost would be huge and the number of mh professionals prepared to say yeah that bloke poses no risk at all zero if they have any sense
But checking someones previous medical history that should be doable.
Its only a 100 rounds and california restricts the size of pistol magazines a normal glock mag can hold 17.
Having been prescribed anti pyschotics would be an automatic fail in the uk to getting a firearms licence.
A mental health evaluation is a non starter to get a firearm licence the cost would be huge and the number of mh professionals prepared to say yeah that bloke poses no risk at all zero if they have any sense
But checking someones previous medical history that should be doable.
Having been prescribed anti pyschotics would be an automatic fail in the uk to getting a firearms licence.
A mental health evaluation is a non starter to get a firearm licence the cost would be huge and the number of mh professionals prepared to say yeah that bloke poses no risk at all zero if they have any sense
But checking someones previous medical history that should be doable.
Elliot Rodger was prescribed anti-psychotics. He didn't take them.
Johnny Canuck3
Well-Known Member
How would the licencing people find out about the unfilled prescription?But he'd been prescribed them so in any sensible society that would be grounds for not letting you buy firearms
seventh bullet
sovietwave
Yeah, this place is liberal as fuck. Some quality posting in the politics forums though.
likesfish
You can't park here sir
Because it would be on his medical records presumably along with a long detailed history of mental health problems.
Its not like the bloke just started feeling unwell one day and refused to seek medical attention
http://content.met.police.uk/Site/firearmslicensingfirearmsapplications
Here you need to include your Doctors address and the police do write to them
isvicthere?
a.k.a. floppybollocks
8ball
Decolonise colons!
Yeah, many people wonder that every time something like this happens. I don't know if you've been taking an interest, but there are a lot more mass shootings that appear in the British media (we just get the more 'interesting' ones), so I think we can be confident nothing will change.
8ball
Decolonise colons!
That's good point - truck drivers have become something of a trope due to their penchance for misogynistic serial killing.
8ball
Decolonise colons!
Don't want to derail too much and this is possibly discussed on one of the more Aspie-focused threads but there was a TV programme on the other day about drama therapy for people with autism, where roles are rehearsed, various common situations are basically 'experienced' in advance in a safe environment. It was just about one particular case (it was Horizon, I think - it covered other topics too), but it was really helping this autistic lad out with his confidence and abilities in navigating the social waters.
There was also a high-functioning woman who was describing how she had developed a battery of social responses for the various encounters she has day to day, which is pretty similar to how I deal with things (the 'small interactions' at least).
I think working on strategies is a better bet than just abandoning other people altogether. Bloody planet is infested with humans so love 'em or loathe 'em, it's bloody hard to ignore them.
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