ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
So you don't want to comment the ridiculousness of defining someone as a "definite exception", then?
Thought not!
Another spoiled little man goes a US gun rampage (six people murdered in Santa Barbara)
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So you don't want to comment the ridiculousness of defining someone as a "definite exception", then?
Thought not!
8ball
Decolonise colons!
So you don't want to comment the ridiculousness of defining someone as a "definite exception", then?
Thought not!
So Usain Bolt is not exceptional because he is on a normal curve of running speeds.
Whatevs.
weltweit
Well-Known Member
At least one of the guns was bought legally.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
What I said is hardly disingenuous. People spree-kill for a whole gamut of reasons, which may or may not be related to various social factors. The unfortunate fact is that we're all, whatever our "neurological" status, only a step away from doing something similar when we lose our tempers. Trying to attribute blame to one or another factor is a fool's errand, because it will vary from person to person, dependant on the experiences of that person, even within a particular group, whether that group be people with AS, people with blue eyes, or people from one or another of the social classes.
The best we can do is analyse cases after-the-fact, and try to learn from them, as to how much particular stressors influenced their own spree-kill. This is why, compared to learned papers on serial-killing, spree-killing is an under-interrogated phenomenon -it's unpredictable in a way that serial killing isn't.
equationgirl
Respect my existence or expect my resistance
Source?
Yuwipi Woman
Whack-A-Mole Queen
There's quite a few people that think Carol Ann put him up to it, including the murder of her family. He was learning disabled and probably had an IQ somewhere south of 70. He was another person who was relentlessly abused by his father and picked on at school.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
My mate is hardly comparable to Usain Bolt. he's more comparable to that bloke at the athletics club who always comes last.
Fuck, and you accuse me of being disingenuous!
8ball
Decolonise colons!
Indeed - post # 1015 being a case in point.
8ball
Decolonise colons!
Piss poor attempt at misdirection.
Though I agree with you that AS is not a predictor of social difficulties to the exact same extent that MND is not a predictor of physical disablement precluding ability to work.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Yeah, but the violence he suffered (what we'd call physical and mental abuse, including neglect, nowadays) was of the sort that nowadays is taken as a predictor for possible anti-social behaviours (up to and including murder), whereas what Rodger claims to have suffered was mostly what I'd categorise as "perceived victimisation". He doesn't seem to have suffered the sort of sustained physical and/or mental/psychic trauma that characterises most serial murderers. he doesn't particularly (at least in his videos) appear to manifest the lack of affect that characterises most of the more severe personality disorders, either. Obviously, his video appearances could have been scripted, which would help to "smooth out" any glaring lack of "humanity", but...
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Where have I tried to attribute blame in post 1015?
What I stated was that causation is incredibly varied, which is pretty much the antithesis of attributing blame.
8ball
Decolonise colons!
I see, so when you said above that trying to attribute blame to a single factor was a fool's errand, what you were doing with this:
Was demonstrating something a fool might say. I agree that a fool might say that.
weltweit
Well-Known Member
His manifesto says that, not corroborated anywhere else that I have seen.
The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms assisted the Sheriff’s Office in confirming that all of the weapons were legally purchased from federally licensed firearms dealers and were registered to the suspect.
http://local.nixle.com/alert/5203814/
spanglechick
High Empress of Dressing Up
This reads like one of the terrible quotes from twitter and pro-Rodger fb pages that ppl had made into a JPEG.
It is repugnant.
weepiper
I fix the machines that fight climate change
It really is. He blames feminists for Rodgers killing people. Not Rodgers himself. Feminists.
weltweit
Well-Known Member
Quite a summary. So it seems he did try to get into a girls house, he said in his manifesto he would go to a girls house and kill everyone inside. Well done them that they didn't open the door! And how much ammo he had, like he was starting a war. It bothers me that someone can amass such an armoury legally without challenge.
weepiper
I fix the machines that fight climate change
The four handguns Thomas Hamilton used to kill the children at Dunblane were all legally held.
weltweit
Well-Known Member
Yes, and although the law has subsequently been changed, there are still UK gun club members out there with firearms which normal people would describe as handguns.
Johnny Canuck3
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What worries me most about America's gun laws is the lack of a central database. This lad going to 3 different gun shops to buy guns should have been a red flag, and if there had been a central database that the police had access to, there's a good chance this could have been avoided.
While on the subject of guns... A friend of mine was a member of a gun club and owned a lot of guns. We used to call him Tackleberry. He invited me to the gun club one evening and it scared me that some of these people were allowed to purchase guns. It was like a scene from Full Metal Jacket.
While on the subject of guns... A friend of mine was a member of a gun club and owned a lot of guns. We used to call him Tackleberry. He invited me to the gun club one evening and it scared me that some of these people were allowed to purchase guns. It was like a scene from Full Metal Jacket.
likesfish
You can't park here sir
And if it had been any other police force in england he'd have lost them years ago.
He got to keep them simply because he'd complain long and loud and cause a horrendous amount of work for a very small police force.
Johnny Canuck3
Well-Known Member
A generalization big enough to drive a truck through.
weltweit
Well-Known Member
Treacle Toes
Time
He knows that. It gives him a hard on just typing it.
The projections and reflections between this case and his posts are disturbing.Just observing and typing that makes me a feminazi man hater who is shit at blow jobs in his world.
smmudge
i know the smudge is true
Aye. I've noticed in discussion around this event (not on this thread particularly but elsewhere in the media) that a lot of people are quite scared to admit that there are aspects of our society that can drive people mad. Kind of explains why people like to blame neurological conditions, and 'mental illness' as if it was some sort of organic, inherent brain defect.
Yuwipi Woman
Whack-A-Mole Queen
When I was target shooting I'd go through 100 rounds a session, 2-3 times per week. I'd buy it in bulk when I could because of the cost. You'd have to get up into the 10s of thousands of rounds before I'd be shocked.
spanglechick
High Empress of Dressing Up
I've reported it. I can't imagine if anyone had posted anything directly similar about, say, Muslims or whatever, that they wouldn't be permabanned.He knows that. It gives him a hard on just typing it.
Johnny Canuck3
Well-Known Member
Was Rodger sexually abused as a child, either by family members or strangers?
Did he suffer any physical, or severe emotional abuse?
How do you know, one way or another?
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