Another spoiled little man goes a US gun rampage (six people murdered in Santa Barbara)

[nessa239]

I did. I think everyone should read it. It's a definitive document of our age.

I read it and understood him but most evidently don't

 

[ViolentPanda]

It's hardly insignificant to have no friends - it would be mentally devastating to most people

society created the Aspergers diagnosis so they can damn well take on board the issues of people with Aspergers

they refuse to hence this type of occurrence

Actually, it was Prof. Asperger who first quantified a set of traits and behaviours into Aspeger's Syndrome, not society.

 

[nessa239]

Different from who? Different from young Americans in the C21st?

these people have some level of sociopathy going on imo the man definitely

 

[discokermit]

It's hardly insignificant to have no friends - it would be mentally devastating to most people

he had friends, people tried.

 

[frogwoman]

It's hardly insignificant to have no friends - it would be mentally devastating to most people

society created the Aspergers diagnosis so they can damn well take on board the issues of people with Aspergers

they refuse to hence this type of occurrence

Lots of people have aspergers, and lots of people have trouble making friends for all sorts of other reasons. In addition putting up with the sexual harassment and sexism that most women do is hardly equivalent to being unable to get laid

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

It's entirely normal for his type to take insignificant social slights as world-ending catastrophes.

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The vastly overwhelming majority of his type do not go on killing sprees and murder six people.

 

[nessa239]

Actually, it was Prof. Asperger who first quantified a set of traits and behaviours into Aspeger's Syndrome, not society.

and was Asperger part of society?

stop being unnecessarily pedantic

everyone who is not me is 'society'

I can never work out if people on forums are deliberately obtuse or just don't understand what I'm saying

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

I wouldn't like to guess, to be honest..

No need to guess: I can even answer for you - none.

 

[phildwyer]

It's hardly insignificant to have no friends - it would be mentally devastating to most people

He had plenty of friends, in the sense of "people to hang out with."

He had no friends in the sense of confidantes, trusted companions or people he cared about. Nor did any of his peer group. They don't want that kind of friend. Just like Rodger didn't really want a girlfriend. That's the last thing he wanted ffs.

 

[8ball]

What do you call a man who is not a feminist?

Steve Manzano?

 

[SpineyNorman]

I certainly don't agree with bombing serbia or demonising the serbs and I doubt many people here did. If you are trying to imply that the people who disagreed with you are all liberals then you couldn't be more wrong.plenty of women go through their whole lives never sleeping with anyone and its often arguably more difficult for them than for men a lot of the time ffs.

No, he's just trying to get people's backs up mate - best reaction is to treat it with the contempt it deserves.

 

[ViolentPanda]

I thought people with a history of mental illness were to be prevented from buying guns in the USA, in fact I thought that was pretty central to the screening thing ..

Firearms purchase laws vary from state to state. It's the right of each separate state to set their own standards.

 

[phildwyer]

these people have some level of sociopathy going on imo the man definitely

The problem lies with the people who sent them to war.

 

[nessa239]

He had plenty of friends, in the sense of "people to hang out with."

He had no friends in the sense of confidantes, trusted companions or people he cared about. Nor did any of his peer group. They don't want that kind of friend. Just like Rodger didn't really want a girlfriend. That's the last thing he wanted ffs.

I don't think you read the manifesto at all

he was desperate for friends

he didn't have people to hang out with a lot of the time otherwise why did his stepmother tell him to ask some neighbourhood children if he could play with them and why was she always going on about him not having any friends??

if you are going to wilfully misrepresent what he said there's not a lot of point discussing it

he was desperate for a girlfriend too

 

[ViolentPanda]

If you carry on you will get a full feel of the type of person. Militant feminists who will bite one's cock off for daring to even discuss the ideas they see as sacrosanct, trolls, people ganging up to support their buddies, bizarre tiny minority views that people get offended about if you think they are shit etc.

Oh, I forgot to add. Accusations that you are me because you happened to register today. Good luck with that. You chose a bad time to join.

Lastly, I should add it helps to see Islamic moujahadin terrorists travelling abroad as human rights activists lest you offend anyone. Have fun!

I'd call you a dick, but that'd clearly be an insult to dicks everywhere.

 

[weepiper]

If you carry on you will get a full feel of the type of person. Militant feminists who will bite one's cock off for daring to even discuss the ideas they see as sacrosanct

Seriously, this is bizarre behaviour. You had a pop at me earlier in the thread - 'less lip from you' I believe was the phrase - because I questioned the validity of a solution to male loneliness that was based on women having to marry more than one man. I wasn't even directly addressing you. Nobody's cock got bitten off. Stop exaggerating and tilting at windmills.

 

[SpineyNorman]

I wouldn't like to guess, to be honest.

Seriously though, the values and culture (or rather lack thereof) Rodger details in his journal are entirely typical. That stuff about how everything will be OK if he can just win the lottery? Money is everything, that's how they think.

You might be surprised to learn I think you've got a point (though I think you're overstating it somewhat) - I don't know what it's like in the US but from my experience at university I know there's a lot of rich twats who espouse those values - I think the difference is that this was a more extreme than usual case and he'd internalised them to an unusual extent.

 

[nessa239]

The problem lies with the people who sent them to war.

no war gives people with underlying sociopathy/amorality the chance to act on it

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

I did. I think everyone should read it. It's a definitive document of our age.

My suggestion: we should all read all these killers' manifestoes.....

http://theweek.com/article/index/23...esto-the-most-chilling-and-bizarre-statements
another take on Dorner:
http://www.businessinsider.com/christopher-dorners-manifesto-2013-2

Anders Breivik's manifesto:
http://content.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2084901,00.html

The Virginia Tech killer's manifesto:
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/04/18/vtech.shooting/

The Unabomber's manifesto:
http://cyber.eserver.org/unabom.txt


then we can all read this article about why killers write manifestos:
http://www.livescience.com/27109-killers-manifesto-dorner.html


Or we can do what I'm going to do: not bother with any of the above.

 

[nessa239]

I'm not going on a killing spree but I've got a fantasy hit list

 

[SpineyNorman]

I read it and understood him but most evidently don't

surely you either understand him or you don't - it can't be both can it?

 

[SpineyNorman]

I'm not going on a killing spree but I've got a fantasy hit list

Everyone on here's got one of those

 

[nessa239]

surely you either understand him or you don't - it can't be both can it?

I said I did understand him

 

[Buckaroo]

no war gives people with underlying sociopathy/amorality the chance to act on it

Every war does.

 

[frogwoman]

As I have said before, it is my personal opinion that the majority of people on this forum probably are on the autistic spectrum or have some other mental health issues, we're talking about the commentariat, misogyny, etc when a lot of other people are out enjoying themselves and we've been doing this in some cases for well over a decade. I've had lots of problems making friends and to be honest if I had been born a couple of years later I may well have been diagnosed with some sort of autistic spectrum disorder. It isn't about bullying people with autism it is about this rush to find reasons to say that this guy is something outside society, and in addition your view that his treatment makes it somehow understandable that he snapped isn't excusable. Most women have suffered a degree of sexual harassment and expectations that they will behave in the 'right' way for a women to - getting married and having kids as well as expectations that men usually (although this is changing) don't have put on them in terms of beauty and how to behave, what sort of stuff they should be into, etc, to nearly the same extent. Its very much ingrained into society to a point where people don't realize it.

 

[SpineyNorman]

I said I did understand him

Indeed you did. And you then went on to say you didn't, hence my confusion:

I read it and understood him but most evidently don't

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

I was just looking back to see if any of the old killers from a few decades ago wrote manifestos: Charles Whitman, Richard Ramirez, Charles Starkweather, Gacy, etc. I can't find any.

Maybe there's something to this idea that media publicity about a killer's 'deep thoughts' leads to copycat crimes - to more killers wanting to get their deep thoughts out there to a wide audience, via the publicity that accompanies multiple murder.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Ha ha, Wtf! Understatement of the year. They will deny being "left wing" though and will tell you they represent all strands of opinion. The Milibands of tinterweb. I should add a lot of them sympathise with bombing Serbia. They seem to be in favour of that sort of thing.

So, "very left wing" is an understatement?
You must live in a neo-fascist compound if you think this place is anything more than moderately liberal-left.

 

[xenon]

Commas people. Commas.

 

[xenon]

I was just looking back to see if any of the old killers from a few decades ago wrote manifestos: Charles Whitman, Richard Ramirez, Charles Starkweather, Gacy, etc. I can't find any.

Maybe there's something to this idea that media publicity about a killer's 'deep thoughts' leads to copycat crimes - to more killers wanting to get their deep thoughts out there to a wide audience, via the publicity that accompanies multiple murder.

I think if you're the sort of person who writes a manifesto, it already says a lot about you.