Another spoiled little man goes a US gun rampage (six people murdered in Santa Barbara)

[frogwoman]

also is it not normal to wade into a thread quickly if you are new? I have Aspergers - I don't tend to acknowledge who is top of the pecking order - I don't recognise social hierarchies just people who I agree with or not

A lot of people on this forum have it.

 

[xenon]

Has that bubbles bloke posted on this thread yet?

Bloke or not, TBF they were posting sensible discurcive points about autism and that several pages back.

 

[nessa239]

Elliot Rodger wasn't different though, was he?

His journal reveals him to be entirely typical in his materialism and his insatiable lusting after commodities.

A fairly sizeable percentage of his class, race and gender feel more or less the same.

He wasn't interacting with his peers in the standard way was he?

he was also analysing the situation to death as well - another thing most people don't do

he wanted the same stuff as everyone else but had a lack of ability to get it and this drove him mad

the majority cut their losses and go for what they can achieve but his upbringing caused him to feel he had to
have alpha male status whereas when you have Aspergers this is not very likely at all

he never mentions his Aspergers in the whole manifesto so he's in denial about it from the looks of things

 

[SpineyNorman]

I doubt anyone can see the sheer irony of what's happening on this thread

I'm sure that's not true. I can tell that you're far more enlightened and perceptive than the rest of us so I bet you can see it.

 

[Mikey77]

Nowhere did I say you were likely to go on a killing spree; I was demonstrating how people are often socially rejected and that in some cases this can escalate

Thanks. However, I must admit that when I am attacked like this I have fantasies of going to Greggs bakers and hitting people over the barnet with a large, but very sloppy pasty.

 

[phildwyer]

He wasn't interacting with his peers in the standard way was he?

Yes he was. He was obsessively studying their various possessions--clothes, video games, girlfriends--in an effort to determine whether he was as "cool" as they. Entirely normal social interaction for his age, class, race, gender and geographical location.

he never mentions his Aspergers in the whole manifesto so he's in denial about it from the looks of things

I don't think he had Aspergers. I think he was normal.

 

[Idris2002]

Fuck your fedora-hate, you cloth-capped Bilston shit-eater!

 

[SpineyNorman]

Coincidences happen all the time though

you want me to be him though so you've convinced yourself

I have no idea if you're his sock puppet and quite explicitly said so - your superior observation skills have let you down on this one. I do think you're a liar though.

 

[Idris2002]

Thanks. However, I must admit that when I am attacked like this I have fantasies of going to Greggs bakers and hitting people over the barnet with a large, but very sloppy pasty.

Pasty, you say? To match your complexion, is it?

 

[ViolentPanda]

I disagree; he tried to participate but wasn't able to as his social skills/neurology went against him

His "social skills/neurology"?
The thing with social skills is that unless you have a pathological cognitive deficit, or a personality disorder, then development of social skills is a matter of practice. An example of this might be that (as you've used the Aspergers example yourself) the majority of persons with Asperger's Syndrome develop a functional repertoire of social skills - one has to be extremely low-functioning not to.
As for "neurology", what do you mean? Neural architecture, or "mind"?

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Elliot Rodger wasn't different though, was he?.

He killed six people: that makes him a little bit different.


The fact that he showed some commonality with some aspects of the culture doesn't preclude him having aspects to his makeup that were utterly extreme and unusual when compared to the vast majority of people.

 

[nessa239]

I don't think he had Aspergers. I think he was normal.

If he was normal he'd have been accepted by his peers and fitted in and had girlfriends They kept rejecting him and leaving him out though His view of the world became very warped. He was hardly normal. His parents have stated he had Aspergers - what is the point in having these diagnoses if people don't take them on board??

 

[weltweit]

.. he never mentions his Aspergers in the whole manifesto so he's in denial about it from the looks of things

You read .. all of it ??

 

[SpineyNorman]

Well, the thread topic concerns a young man who was a social outcast and made to feel like a loser by the majority then he goes mad and kills people and people go how can these things happen, it's SO WRONG! Compare and contrast with the hounding you appear to be giving Mikey on here - THIS is ixactly how it happens!
People who don't toe the line in terms of conformity tend to get outcasted, just as you are all doing here, so in essence you've all answered your own question ie people just like you are the reason people like Elliot go on shooting sprees ie it's due to intolerance of difference

Yes. It's actually our fault that elliot rodger went on a killing spree and mikey77 is a goat's penis. I just knew you'd be able to shed light on this one

 

[5t3IIa]

I do actually. If he'd had his dick sucked by a feminist as I have (she didn't know my politics) he would never have killed anyone. I blame feminists who, incidentally, aren't very good at sucking dick.

inb4 permaban

 

[phildwyer]

He killed six people: that makes him a little bit different.


The fact that he showed some commonality with some aspects of the culture doesn't preclude him having aspects to his makeup that were utterly extreme and unusual when compared to the vast majority of people.

I don't know man... how many 21 year-old upper-middle-class Southern Californian white boys do you tend to meet?

I meet loads--and Elliot Rodger wouldn't stand out from the crowd at all.

 

[discokermit]

I guess you all think I'm a "loser".

well yeh, but that's ok

Why don't you like me.

cos you're a cunt as well.

 

[nessa239]

His "social skills/neurology"?
The thing with social skills is that unless you have a pathological cognitive deficit, or a personality disorder, then development of social skills is a matter of practice. An example of this might be that (as you've used the Aspergers example yourself) the majority of persons with Asperger's Syndrome develop a functional repertoire of social skills - one has to be extremely low-functioning not to.
As for "neurology", what do you mean? Neural architecture, or "mind"?

What do you think Aspergers is?? it's a cognitive deficit. A lot of people with Aspergers kill themselves - hardly functional social skills! you are not talking from a position of authority on this matter imo. I related a lot to Elliot's manifesto except I wouldn't want to kill people but I'm certainly not very well disposed towards them and generally avoid them. I can talk quite well but if people don't take to you you're f-ked! look at all the people going on about how creepy he came across as in that video - if people think you're weird and creepy no amount of brains/ability to talk will help you imo as people won't want to start talking to you in the first place!

By neurology I mean his autistic neurology ie it's not the standard brain-wiring and people can often tell you're different neurologically before you've even opened your mouth.

 

[SpineyNorman]

please can people tell me their ages; this might be a major factor here

why?

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

I don't know man... how many 21 year-old upper-middle-class Southern Californian white boys do you tend to meet?

I meet loads--and Elliot Rodger wouldn't stand out from the crowd at all.

How many have you met who have murdered six people?

 

[SpineyNorman]

Yes he was. He was obsessively studying their various possessions--clothes, video games, girlfriends--in an effort to determine whether he was as "cool" as they. Entirely normal social interaction for his age, class, race, gender and geographical location.



I don't think he had Aspergers. I think he was normal.

I was just thinking, 'what this thread needs right now is phildwyer - can you show mikey how to do it with a bit of style phil? I think he's struggling.

 

[phildwyer]

If he was normal he'd have been accepted by his peers and fitted in and had girlfriends They kept rejecting him and leaving him out though His view of the world became very warped. He was hardly normal.

It's entirely normal for his type to take insignificant social slights as world-ending catastrophes.

His parents have stated he had Aspergers - what is the point in having these diagnoses if people don't take them on board??

Because such diagnoses are very often perfunctory clinicizations of real social problems.

 

[frogwoman]

I certainly don't agree with bombing serbia or demonising the serbs and I doubt many people here did. If you are trying to imply that the people who disagreed with you are all liberals then you couldn't be more wrong.plenty of women go through their whole lives never sleeping with anyone and its often arguably more difficult for them than for men a lot of the time ffs.

 

[Idris2002]

He killed six people: that makes him a little bit different.

Hmmm, yes, just a tad.

 

[phildwyer]

How many have you met who have murdered six people?

I wouldn't like to guess, to be honest.

Seriously though, the values and culture (or rather lack thereof) Rodger details in his journal are entirely typical. That stuff about how everything will be OK if he can just win the lottery? Money is everything, that's how they think.

 

[phildwyer]

You read .. all of it ??

I did. I think everyone should read it. It's a definitive document of our age.

 

[nessa239]

It's entirely normal for his type to take insignificant social slights as world-ending catastrophes.



Because such diagnoses are very often perfunctory clinicizations of real social problems.

It's hardly insignificant to have no friends - it would be mentally devastating to most people

society created the Aspergers diagnosis so they can damn well take on board the issues of people with Aspergers

they refuse to hence this type of occurrence

 

[ViolentPanda]

Let's face it, the majority of people on discussion forums are a) more likely to be introverts b) more likely to be socially isolated c) more likely to prefer the internet to the real world ie not a good basis for healthy discussion

everyone is prejudiced

if you think what he says is bad you should see what it's like on the Student forum TSF

A person on there copied the profile photos of various females without their permission and they had a 'marks out of 10' style beauty contest and then hounded anyone who had a problem with this

our culture is saturated with this kind of attitude and while people on the one hand scream misogyny! they still buy the records/watch the programmes/report on the people promoting it ie society is highly hypocritical

To be fair, TSF isn't a good representration of anything except just how thick a lot of supposedly-bright people are, and how "entitled" a lot of them feel. I gave up posting there about 5-6 years ago.

 

[DotCommunist]

better than the unabomber? better than moats?

 

[phildwyer]

He killed six people: that makes him a little bit different.

Different from who? Different from young Americans in the C21st?