eatmorecheese
He's fallen out of the car again
...and fuck that facebook shit 
Another spoiled little man goes a US gun rampage (six people murdered in Santa Barbara)
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I read possibly too much of it. What comes across is how stressful his day-to-day existence seemed to be, how trapped he was. His emotional and social intelligence seemed seriously impaired, for whatever reasons (I'm not going to speculate). The altercations, racism and misogyny are chilling. Only his own agonies mattered. And plenty tried to help him, but he seemed completely incapable of seeing beyond his obsessions.
Disturbing, and sad. It doesn't glorify anything.
I thought he was incredibly narcisstic, and those who did try and help him must have just given up in the end through frustration.
eatmorecheese
He's fallen out of the car again
Yes, totally self-absorbed, unable to have an empathetic view the world from other perspectives. His own self-image was scarily unstable.
It's just horrible, but I don't want to start doing the armchair psychoanalysis thing. Too many families irrevocably fucked up to be detached about it.
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
I'm sorry. The thoughts I am having are that someone should have fucking put him out of his misery there are worse things than not being able to get laid, has it occcured to him that many people display sexualized behaviour at a young age due to being sexually abused as children?
there are worse things than not being able to get laid, has it occcured to him that many people display sexualized behaviour at a young age due to being sexually abused as children?
maomao
普費斯
Yeah, given the throwing hot coffee over some girls who didn't smile back at him and the trying to push some kid off a ledge things it probably just would have ended in violence.
He was in therapy most of his life from the age of 8. His father kicked him out of the house at 18 and his mother took the first opportunity she could to get him out of the house. He mentions throwing tantrums a lot... I'd say he was an insufferable cunt but it seems fairly obvious that he had severe mental health issues and an anger that was probably exasperated by many factors in his life.
I wonder would he have turned out this way had he been born into a poor family... I'm not sure he would.
Johnny Vodka
The Abominable Scotsman
As a sort of aside question, why do people think getting laid is just about getting laid?
Has anyone really said that? Getting laid can be about validation, power, revenge, love, lust, anger, jealousy, solace, just scratching that itch which refuses to let you have a moment's peace, or something else.
OTOH sometimes a fuck is just a fuck and nothing more. </derail>
Johnny Vodka
The Abominable Scotsman
I've read various comments (not necessarily on this thread) which seem to infer that, as if the issue is solely he couldn't put his dick in a hole.
As a friend told me (
), not getting laid in a while can have an effect on your mental wellbeing - and it's perhaps then, rather than when you take it for granted, you reflect on all the things getting laid means, even a seemingly inconsequential ONS.
But if "entitlement" is a real idea, why should anything change. Why would we change to allow for men to have more chance of a partner?
I think men make the point that women also complain about not finding men to marry,finding a "good man", asking their partner to have kids even when he is not interested. Entitlement would seem to work both ways, but the issue is why should anything change or even be addressed if "non-entitled" sexual beings are truly not entitled?
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
what did violent spree killers do before mass literacy and the ability to scrawl a manifesto? have a little rant at the gallows?
It doesn't require anyone else to change - just as allowing gay marriage doesn't require straight people to change allowing multiple marriage doesn't require anyone else to change either. I'm not saying it doesn't have potential problems though.
Well in the case of China/India, the millions of men who are currently destined to not have partners could well result in various problems... having millions of people feeling disenfranchised from society would seem to cause problems in general whether they're disenfranchised through relative poverty/lack of a future in terms of career/place in society or in the case of these millions of Chinese/Indian men lack of a future in terms of being able to have a family and fulfill a basic urge to reproduce.
Are you not just describing entitlement in a longer form. Are we entitled to fulfil this "basic urge" and why should anyone care if we don't? I don't care if the 60 year old woman isn't allowed to fulfil her urge to reproduce for that matter? Can fulfilling this urge be compared to the entitlement we all feel to have a job?
I'm playing devil's advocate by the way just to try and understand what this entitlement thing means in practice. On the point of one woman with numerous partners that would surely take massive cultural change, I am not sure there is evidence that women would want this, and again I can't see if there is any reason for any government to promote it if "entitlement" is a real concept. My issue is does being a sexual being with an urge mean you are entitled to help in fulfilling that urge?
Founded sects?
The higher-functioning and more patient mass spree killers whipped up Crusades.
I thought they just went and slaughtered indigenous peoples of the Americas. Or for us we just hopped over to Ireland for a quick slaughter - pure genius.
In some cases it would be helpful to society if you were. Re feeling disenfranchised - look at the London Riots perhaps - you could call that an issue of entitlement when people are stealing from sports shops etc... Lots of people would presumably agree on here that a wealth divide/relative poverty can cause crime, it isn't a good thing to have a bunch of people feeling disenfranchised from the rest of society (I'm not saying all rioters were). I mentioned the multiple marriage thing as that is something that still occurs in some areas of India, it is a sort of solution to the issue of a lack of women. I believe polyandy might have occurred amongst ancient Britons too though I wasn't suggesting it would be popular culturally today in the UK - still on principle I don't believe the govt should prevent it from occurring.
This is however a potential huge problem for China
http://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/66805/nicholas-eberstadt/the-demographic-future
They're going to have millions of Elliott Rogers on their hands... obviously most of them won't have the same (presumably mental health) issues resulting in mass killing sprees but they're still going to be feeling very frustrated like him all the same and that really isn't a good thing. When you've got millions of frustrated disenfranchised young men whether as a result of other people having significantly more material wealth than them or other people having a wife, family etc... Its got potential to turn into a very big problem (China has a history of killing baby girls and has had this issue before)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nien_Rebellion
So yeah when you've got lots of young men not finding partners it isn't just an entitlement issue but can potentially become a big problem for that society as a whole.
I wonder whether that means he drove by, slowing his car down, in order to smile at them. If so, that probably never gets a good result. Strange men kerb-crawling doesn't inspire friendship as much as alarm.
Johnny Canuck3
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Well - none of that is consistent with the image being constructed by the public. Best not to mention it.
That too. But all the slaughter in the Americas and much of that in Ireland happened on the cusp of mass literacy. Indeed, it could be said to have been a partial cause of the former.
Look, if "entitlement" can be brought up by feminists as if it is a given then I think it's worth discussing to see if it is a practical idea. Maybe another thread, but less lip from you.
Johnny Canuck3
Well-Known Member
My thought exactly. I can't believe there's anything this kid could write that I want to read.
And the publicity encourages others to get their 'fifteen minutes'. The media ensures that a damaged killer becomes a household name.
Johnny Canuck3
Well-Known Member
Eh? By whom? Where? What part of it do you claim has been taken as a given?
Johnny Canuck3
Well-Known Member
Interesting thought: if he'd been captured instead of killed, how many here would be clamoring that he receive the death penalty?
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