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hiraethified
If that's the case, surely it's highly unlikely that someone on the ground would have noticed it?
Another Malaysian airliner crashed in Ukraine
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kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
it depends where it was when whoever decided to shoot it down pressed the fire button - it could have been miles and miles away - 50/100 miles from a conflict area on a map. it may not, but it may..
civil aircraft will also be having to avoid Israel/Palastine at the mo, as well as Syria and Iraq - they may well have had to be flying further north than they normally would for this route, and to save money on fuel/stopovers they may have cut it a bit closer than would have been ideal, but still thought to be safe.
could be any combination of things.
krink
I'll do it this afternoon
They may have confused feet and meters as 10,000 meters is about 30,000 feet. 30,000 feet been reported a couple of times.
purves grundy
ambient clown remix
Yeah, I don't know which airspaces we flew over though, but it always seems to be pretty much the same from Bangkok or KL or SGP into Europe: over the Indian subcontinent, Central Asia, then Eastern Europe.Shit news
How long has that airspace been closed? You say you did it a few weeks ago pg?
Admittedly, that covers a fairly hefty area...
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Russia has form for this, see Korean Air 007
They didn't know it was a passenger jet at the time though. It was also way off course, in and out of Russian airspace, and the Russkies had been tracking a US spy plane in the area earlier. There's a lot to that incident.
2hats
Dust.
There were plenty of commercial flights routing through Afghanistan airspace after the 2001 invasion - probably down to lack of anyone collecting overflight fees. I was on flights last year which short cut over the 'back' end of Syria then routed over Iraq whilst things were kicking off. Airlines make judgement calls about these things all the time and factor in advice from various sources, recent activity, who is in charge of the airspace, etc.
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
They did know what type of aircraft and what it was painted as though, Osipovich had fired a large number of warning shots towards it before he was ordered to shoot it down.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Unlikely. Fighter pilots routinely practice "shooting down" airliners. You've probably been "shot down" once or twice yourself!
goldenecitrone
post tenebras lux
Shouldn't be hard to track down those vermin, then.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
i thought the americans were the world leaders.
although the auld ussr had quite a good record too.
mauvais
on reddit or something
It looks like the airspace was open. Theres a NOTAM related to closed airspace over the Crimea and Black Sea, but that doesn't cover this.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
I saw an interview with him not so long ago. He said that he recognised it as a civilian type but that civilian aircraft could be used for military purposes. Furthermore that he didn't tell his controllers that it was a Boeing.
2hats
Dust.
Not those flying into eg Tel Aviv, and plenty of traffic from Europe to Abu Dhabi/Dubai (eg Etihad, Emirates and through traffic to SE Asia/Oz) routes north-south though Iraq squeezing between the Euphrates and Tigris, was doing so last night. There's civilian air traffic from LHR routing east over the Ukraine right now though I notice an Air India flight has just executed a dog leg to the south.
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
remind me not to fly commercial again...
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Which site are you using?
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
Flight Radar 24 shows quite a few over Ukraine.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
There's a lot to most incidents. The common factor seems to be a trigger happy person somewhere in the chain of events.
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
Sky reporting its actually a KLM flight codesharing as MA. it doesn't effect the badness of it, but if true a civil aircraft belonging to a NATO country has been shot down, very probably by either the Russian military, or weapons supplied by Russia to a proxy...
2hats
Dust.
planefinder.net
Their last data for the flight was at 1414BST 488 knots, 33kft, 48.5626N 37.2179 E.
Lazy Llama
Suburban robots that monitor reality
It's a codeshare, but the plane was definitely in Malaysian Airlines livery.
George & Bill
semiotically superfluous
A friend in Ukraine has just said the same thing. Furthermore, she says blog posts making such claims have now been deleted.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
KLM & Malaysia Airlines codeshare on that route, inspite of Malaysian being part of OneWorld and KLM in Sky Team.
The KLM flight to KL doesn't leave until 2050.
The KLM flight to KL doesn't leave until 2050.
goldenecitrone
post tenebras lux
Can't wait to see them on trial in Den Haag.
ShakespearO
Well-Known Member
Any news on the survivors?
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
They're a bit bruised.
goldenecitrone
post tenebras lux
They won't be burying them. Now, fuck off.
Lazy Llama
Suburban robots that monitor reality
Bodies and body parts seen over a wide area round the crash, I doubt there'll be any survivors.
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