Another Malaysian airliner crashed in Ukraine

[Fingers]

according to the BBC.....

 

[Fingers]

Another Boeing 777 - 280 on board according to a post on twitter :-(

Amsterdam to KL

 

[Barking_Mad]

Guaranteed conspiracy. On the Russian border.

 

[joustmaster]

link?

 

[Fingers]

No link yet, all over Twitter and on Sky News/BBC News

Some discussion here http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/general_aviation/read.main/6128856/

 

[Fingers]

Telegraph

"A Boeing Malaysian Airlines that was fyling from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur began to descend about 50km before entering Russian airspace, and was subsequently found burning on the ground in Ukraine," an aviation source told Interfax.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...ne-crashes-on-Ukraine-Russia-border-live.html

 

[TitanSound]

Bloody hell. If this is confirmed, is this the shortest gap between an airline losing planes?

 

[Lazy Llama]

Sky News article - http://news.sky.com/story/1302864/malaysian-plane-crashes-with-295-on-board

 

[agricola]

Sky repeating an Interfax report that the plane was shot down.

 

[goldenecitrone]

Bit of a coincidence if it has come down in the same area where this occured just yesterday.

Rebels in eastern Ukraine say they shot down two Su-25 jets on Wednesday.

Ukraine also alleges rockets were fired at its forces from Russian territory.

Ukraine conflict: Russia accused of shooting down jet

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-28345039

 

[Fingers]

777 had a perfect safety record before 2008

Since then Hull loses have been

British Airways - Heathrow - 2008 -Ice Crystals
Egypt Air - Cairo - 2011 - Cockpit fire whilst at airport stand
Malaysian - 2014 - Who knows where - who knows what
Malaysian - 2014 - Ukraine - ???

 

[Fingers]

Ukraine government claiming it was brought down by a missile @30,000ft

 

[TitanSound]

Apparently, the airspace was closed. What the hell was the plane doing flying over it if that was the case?

 

[Treacle Toes]

Kin ell!

 

[Pickman's model]

777 had a perfect safety record before 2008

Since then Hull loses have been

British Airways - Heathrow - 2008 -Ice Crystals
Egypt Air - Cairo - 2011 - Cockpit fire whilst at airport stand
Malaysian - 2014 - Who knows where - who knows what
Malaysian - 2014 - Ukraine - ???

and let's not start wondering what malaysian's record will be like in 2015

 

[Pickman's model]

shot down says the belfast telegraph http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/n...passengers-shot-down-in-ukraine-30439882.html

 

[mauvais]

What's Russian for 'Vincennes'?

 

[TitanSound]

The place is a war zone so it wouldn't surprise me if it was shot down. But I would imagine planes would be avoiding the area like the plague. And especially if the airspace was closed by the Ukrainian government.

 

[goldenecitrone]

What's Russian for 'Vincennes'?

дерьмо!

 

[agricola]

What's Russian for 'Vincennes'?

"Osipovich"

 

[mauvais]

"Osipovich"

Well, quite. Does that make them #1 for shooting down airliners? Some African warzones have a track record for it too.

 

[Miss Caphat]

Jesus

 

[weltweit]

The Malasian Airlines people must be wondering what they have done to deserve this .... again ....

 

[kebabking]

Beeb etc.. reporting that the Ukranians are saying that Russia shot down one of their fighters over eastern Ukraine this morning - Russians are denying it.

a few hours later a civil aircraft falls out of the sky in a broadly similar area. it could be a coincidence i suppose...

doesn't mean either side did it, or meant to do it, just that if both sides are jumpy...

 

[mauvais]

How would anyone know for sure what's happened to it yet? They probably will in short order though.

This could be pretty grave for everyone. The choice of parties could be worse - could involve Americans - but if the Russians or Russian-backed entities shot it down I wouldn't even like to guess at what comes next. A winged Franz Ferdinand?

 

[weltweit]

295 people

poor sods

 

[quiquaquo]

Isn't 30,000 feet high for a missile? Not in anyone's interest to shoot down a passenger plane surely. RIP to poor victims and their loved ones.

 

[mauvais]

Isn't 30,000 feet high for a missile? Not in anyone's interest to shoot down a passenger plane surely. RIP to poor victims and their loved ones.

No, it's doable.
However if they really did shoot it down at 30,000ft then I imagine it somewhat limits the possible hardware in question.

 

[weltweit]

A Ukrainian official said a Malaysian passenger plane carrying 295 people was shot down Thursday over a town in the east of the country.

Anton Gerashenko, an adviser to Ukraine’s Interior Minister, said on his Facebook page the plane was flying at an altitude of 33,000 feet when it was hit by a missile fired from a Buk launcher. A similar launcher was seen by Associated Press journalists near the eastern Ukrainian town of Snizhne earlier Thursday.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...-ukraine-near-russian-border/article19654868/

 

[agricola]

How would anyone know for sure what's happened to it yet? They probably will in short order though.

This could be pretty grave for everyone. The choice of parties could be worse - could involve Americans - but if the Russians or Russian-backed entities shot it down I wouldn't even like to guess at what comes next. A winged Franz Ferdinand?

What with how those things (SAM radars) operate, and how many satellites and of what type are probably watching the area round the clock already, its probably known already who fired it, and from where. In fact the only thing in the air that didnt know it was being targetted was probably the airliner itself.