Andy Coulson, the Met Police and Murdoch

[tarannau]

Agree. Ignoring isn't really an option if one poster is consistently making groundless and delusional complaints about many others, alleging all kinds of bad behaviour about specific posters without anything approaching evidence or sanction. Nor should challenging one poster's opinions be considered 'goading' or likely to derail the thread, simply because others cannot exhibit self control. Nothing positive will change that way - in fact it'll get worse if unchallenged, as it has already.

And on that note I'll leave it. Coulson remains at risk though - his denials just seem increasingly implausible as more and more people break cover and talk about the culture of the NoW newsroom, where these intercepts seemed endemic.

 

[detective-boy]

Ignoring isn't really an option if one poster is consistently making groundless and delusional complaints ...

Ah ... you finally understand my situation ... except that in my case it is the other way around - ignoring (which is what I am constantly told to do) isn't really an option if multiple posters are consistently making "groundless and delusional complaints" about what an individual poster has posted ...

 

[littlebabyjesus]

No. If he's going to make unfounded accusations, I am going to respond to them. This is ridiculous.

I agree with this. At some point, a mod is going to have to tell d-b to fuck the fuck off when he reports a poster for taking him to task.

How about mods put d-b's pms on ignore for a month instead.

 

[Teaboy]

Coulson or Moron?

Its a straight question.

 

[tarannau]

Ah ... you finally understand my situation ... except that in my case it is the other way around - ignoring (which is what I am constantly told to do) isn't really an option if multiple posters are consistently making "groundless and delusional complaints" about what an individual poster has posted ...

No, I don't. You trying to act the knob as retaliation for perceived slights is simply trolling really. And also you're frankly delusional - most posters don't endlessly accuse others of misrepresenting them, come up with paranoid guff about 'the collective,' nor go off on a moan or swearfest when their posts are even slightly queried. I'd work on my empathy, communication skills and self control if I were you.

Posters have commented on specific points of yours in recent threads, only for you to accuse them of derailing things and then running off to the mods with delusional reports of persecution. It's meagre stuff frankly, borne of your inability to take criticism or entertain theories other than your own.

 

[ymu]

All I have done is ask you not to derail this thread ... so feel free to start what you like.

No need to start one. I bumped the thread where your behaviour was already being discussed.

 

[ymu]

Please, take it over there guys. No more derailing of this thread.

 

[detective-boy]

No, I don't.

 

[tarannau]

Is there any inaccuracy in my post DB? Isn't that exactly what's happened of late? You haven't acused people of being in a collective against you, continually alleged misrepresentation, reported posts a number of times, nor have you lost control plenty of times, shouting cunt at pretty much all present? Honest answer please - I'm happy for you to correct me here.

Remarkable, isn't it? And now we're back to the rolleyes stage of denial again

 

[ymu]

Can you take it to the other thread please tarannau? This one is rather good, and there are people trying to have a discussion on it. The other one is crap, so it doesn't matter how much shit gets flung on it - and it's already been used to discuss the last incident where he pulled this stunt.

 

[tarannau]

There's no point is there? I'm not going to go onto a call out thread specifically intended to badmouth or gather 'evidence' on another poster.

Equally I'm far from satisified that this thread has ended up like so many others that DB's on, complete with delusional, unfounded accusations and then, remarkably, all posters getting an equal slap on the wrists after yet another reportfest. It's daft and will continue endlessly with those kind of weak 'one size fits all' actions - I don't believe a side cross-thread essentially slagging off a poster will help, or even stop this stuff sprouting over ever more threads.

 

[ymu]

It's not a call-out thread. It's a thread in feedback which has already been derailed into a discussion of the unjustified bannings the other weekend. You don't have to post on it, but please stop derailing this one. Ta.

 

[tarannau]

it's a call out thread with you calling a poster out on this cross-threaded post here. And I think it's bad form to ask people to contribute on those terms

I'd like a resolution as much as the next bod, but that isn't the way imo

 

[ymu]

I'm not asking you to contribute. I'm asking you to quit fucking this thread up.

 

[tarannau]

It's fucked up already. And cross-threading to another place to essentially discuss and slag off another poster makes me deeply uncomfortable. I'd rather see this thread meet its natural end than start the precedent of 'assemble here to discuss another poster'

 

[Santino]

A summary of the issues from a legal point of view:

http://jackofkent.blogspot.com/2010/09/metgate-guide-to-current-issues.html

 

[ferrelhadley]

Now in parliament

http://news.bbc.co.uk/democracylive/hi/house_of_commons/newsid_8167000/8167404.stm

 

[ymu]

A summary of the issues from a legal point of view:

http://jackofkent.blogspot.com/2010/09/metgate-guide-to-current-issues.html

What caused the Metropolitan Police investigation to be so apparently misconducted?

Here the crucial allegation of the New York Times is that there was an improper relationship between the Metropolitan Police and News International.

This is the critical bit. I'm actually very surprised that Cameron hasn't sacked Coulson already in a damage limitation exercise. There was a point where he might just have been able to get away with pretending that Coulson was the only issue here. It can't be doing him any good hanging on to the guy. Is it just political ineptness - for which he has plenty of form?

 

[butchersapron]

This is the critical bit. I'm actually very surprised that Cameron hasn't sacked Coulson already in a damage limitation exercise. There was a point where he might just have been able to get away with pretending that he was the only issue here. It can't be doing him any good hanging on? Is it just political ineptness - for which he has plenty of form?

There's a point at which it becomes (in their view) less damaging just to hold on. They've badly miscalculated on this one. There's a slight hint at wider complicity amongst higher up tories, that's another potential reason for this 'backing'.

 

[detective-boy]

Please, take it over there guys. No more derailing of this thread.

Oh look! The Collective's chief psycho nutjob has spoken!

 

[Santino]

I wonder what the consequences would be if Coulson caves in, and confirms that not only did he do it, but that Cameron knew he did it.

 

[butchersapron]

I wonder what the consequences would be if Coulson caves in, and confirms that not only did he do it, but that Cameron knew he did it.

Cameron would have to stand down and Clegg becomes PM

 

[ferrelhadley]

Cameron is peripheral to all this.

 

[Teaboy]

I wonder what the consequences would be if Coulson caves in, and confirms that not only did he do it, but that Cameron knew he did it.

Cameron's position would be untenable, but Coulson is never going to cave in and admit anything.

 

[butchersapron]

Cameron is peripheral to all this.

He's not - it's entirely to do with Cameron (whether it is or not).

 

[cesare]

Cameron would have to stand down and Clegg becomes PM

He'd just do a Pontius Pilate on it, and everyone would suck it up preferring that to the alternatives.

 

[Teaboy]

Cameron is peripheral to all this.

No he's not. Cameron chose Coulson knowing all about this affair, it's either a lack of judgment or complicity with wrong doing.

 

[Santino]

Posy Tory twat using the term 'blagging' in Parliament lol

 

[ymu]

No he's not. Cameron chose Coulson knowing all about this affair, it's either a lack of judgment or complicity with wrong doing.

It does smell bad. But Cameron is utterly inept.

 

[cesare]

The debate's on atm btw: http://www.parliamentlive.tv/main/Player.aspx?meetingId=6564