elbows
Well-Known Member
Waiter, waiter, theres a fly in my soup. Thats you that is, zzzzzzzzz.
And next, Syria?
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Waiter, waiter, theres a fly in my soup. Thats you that is, zzzzzzzzz.
camouflage
gaslit at scale.
Article doesn't agree with the narrative to which you have become emotionally invested? Enemy-internet obviously, ignore. No harm in it mind, lives are at stake but I doubt you and your chums parroting really does much additional harm to Syrians on the ground. The circle-jerk called the Western media narrative would manufacture the necessary consent with its usual efficiency regardless of what you think is happening. I just think it's a shame that you're not even able to engage with positions with which you disagree. Just declare enemy articles enemy linked to the enemy internet by people with enemy opinions or enemy narratives haram and look away. I think this attitude flies in the face of intelligence. Anyway didn't mean to interrupt, as you were.
elbows
Well-Known Member
I'm not parroting anything and I know from the past that you don't actually have a coherent position for me to disagree with, you are all over the place you sloppy fucker.
Also I'm a fan of the potential of the internet and how it relates to the struggles of people. Not the way you use it though, fucking useless.
Also I'm a fan of the potential of the internet and how it relates to the struggles of people. Not the way you use it though, fucking useless.
camouflage
gaslit at scale.
Yup, sloppy and all over the place. Welcome to life on planet Earth, it's confusing isn't it. Please continue discussing the latest plot in your nice pat Washington-DC Comic book.
elbows
Well-Known Member
I dont do comic book or black and white stinking up the place thanks. No 'enemy of my enemy is my friend' shit from me either so good luck actually pinning some love for Washington's agenda on me fuckstain. Casually Red might try from time to time because I relished the fall of the Gaddafi regime but if anyone was actually mad enough to try to re-read this thread, the Libya thread, the Bahrain thread or the Egypt thread you'd find me droning on about the complex realities without fear of labelling ANY sides stuff as bullshit or propaganda at key moments.
seventh bullet
sovietwave
We had this last year with Russian fascism. Don't get wound up. He doesn't know what he's fooling around with anyway.
elbows
Well-Known Member
Yeah. I'm not wound up, just getting my stuff in briefly and then leaving him to it, since nothing is going to change and if these crap strongmen stances are the only stances being raised for us to argue with then no wonder this world events forum isn't what it used to be.
camouflage
gaslit at scale.
Good articles from last year here:
Syria's White Helmets: War by Way of Deception - Part I
Part II - Syria's White Helmets: War By Way of Deception ~ 'Moderate Executioners'
From the second article above, one for the road...
seventh bullet
sovietwave
Thanks be that you can see through the murk.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
That airstrike or missile attack on a displaced peoples camp. 30+ dead. LOl. It's just like the us.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Nothing is real. None one dies, no one starves, no one drowns. No one freezes.
To suggest that they do=onions.
camouflage
gaslit at scale.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Drowned.
camouflage
gaslit at scale.
rocket science is overrated I reckon, as is your self-righteousness.
teqniq
DisMembered
What I mean here is that there's been plenty of reports of the targeting of civilians and related infrastructure by all sides recently. No-one seems to have come out of it untarnished. One has only to look at one or two of the links that I've recently posted. One Twitter anti-regime activist tweeted the other day concerning the rebel shelling of a hospital as 'shameful' so you would think that if you were wanting to push a certain agenda say a pro-regime one that there'd be plenty of real-world events for your canvas. Instead of which we are offered up links from dodgy sites and ting. Just wtf.
camouflage
gaslit at scale.
What I mean here is that there's been plenty of reports of the targeting of civilians and related infrastructure by all sides recently. No-one seems to have come out of it untarnished. One has only to look at one or two of the links that I've recently posted. One Twitter anti-regime activist tweeted the other day concerning the rebel shelling of a hospital as 'shameful' so you would think that if you were wanting to push a certain agenda say a pro-regime one that there'd be plenty of real-world events for your canvas. Instead of which we are offered up links from dodgy sites and ting. Just wtf.
Perhaps I'm not pushing an agenda? Try reading the two articles I linked above to dodgy website 21stcenturywire.com, maybe it'll add some insight for you. Bet you daren't.
camouflage
gaslit at scale.
Can't be arsed more like tbf.
of course.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
The problem with your cite is that RMA Sandhurst is anything but elite, and any soldier knows this. It's the "bog-standard comprehensive" of the military colleges, where every junior officer gets sent, regardless of whether they have the smarts of Field Marshall Montgomery, or those of Lieutenant Duncan Smith.
teqniq
DisMembered
Casually Red
tomorrow belongs to me
You're taking a huff because someone actually disagreed with you . A forum going downhill because the narrative you put forward is being challenged for what it is ?. The usual western liberal regime change ballsology . Just as it was during the destruction of Libya, and elsewhere . The vast bulk of this uprising is either jihadist or blatantly sectarian in nature . Supported by the absolute scum of the earth, from Saudi and Qatari slave traders to scum like Clinton, Cameron, McCain, NATO , CIA etc That's been proven many times over . Stating the sheer obviousness of that isn't " a crap strongman stance " . It's calling out bullshit . Bullshit you whine about being challenged on .
elbows
Well-Known Member
lol. I don't mind people talking shit about me at all, I reserve the right to respond. I still think the forum has gone way downhill though, simply because there are less people contributing. That doesn't mean I'm feeling all lonely with less people to agree with me, I am moaning about a lack of diversity in terms of views disagreeing with me.
What, for example, is the point in me and you arguing with each other more these days? Our positions and disagreements were pretty clear some years ago and I'm not going to waste my time covering exactly the same ground anymore.
What, for example, is the point in me and you arguing with each other more these days? Our positions and disagreements were pretty clear some years ago and I'm not going to waste my time covering exactly the same ground anymore.
Casually Red
tomorrow belongs to me
I stopped arguing with you months back, for largely the same reasons.
The lack of contributors might have something to do with the self appointed board police ganging up on posters and driving them off the forum when they disagree with them . As has happened a few times . Indeed Strassergate was a good example of that type of behaviour recently .
The lack of contributors might have something to do with the self appointed board police ganging up on posters and driving them off the forum when they disagree with them . As has happened a few times . Indeed Strassergate was a good example of that type of behaviour recently .
Patteran
A nowadays excuse
Negotiated end to uprising, apparently - dunno how far the regime can be trusted to honour its side.
source - #Syria – Hama central prison – latest news
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Fascinating piece on the contrasting approach of anarchists/radicals - specifically those with a narrow focus on Rojava that undermines the wider revolution and those looking far beyond just Rojava. Been hammering at this for ages, and the publication of 2 books (Burning Country: Stories of Syrians in Revolution and War + Khiyana: Daesh, the Left and the Unmaking of the Syrian Revolution) seems to have finally provoked some much needed reflection.
The Most Important Thing: Two speaking tours and the Syrian Revolution
These two tours both offered anarchist perspectives on Syria and yet their narratives were surprisingly different – on our walk to the bus station, we dug into those differences and tried to understand them. In spite of their scale and commitment, the anarchic practices carried out by the Syrian revolution (not in Rojava) have been largely ignored by anarchists in the west, while Rojava has been widely, and often uncritically, celebrated. In light of rapidly changing events on the ground, as grassroots groups risk being decisively overshadowed by the maneuvers of states, it’s important to look more carefully at Rojava and the Syrian revolution to see where our solidarity should lie. This will help us support revolutionaries there in the years to come and also make sure that, in the present, anarchist support isn’t fuelling forces that divide and undermine revolutionary energy.
...
One reason for the lack of international support for the Syrian revolution might be that it has largely been made invisible. The stories of Razan and Omar underline an important reason for this invisibility – many of the anarchists and most passionate activists were killed (usually by the regime )early on or were forced to flee the country. Rojava, on the other hand, had a different experience of the regime’s violence, which contributed to increased visibility.
In his talk, Paul shared many personal stories of his travels through the liberated territories of Rojava, mostly in the Kobane area. These stories are compelling and inspiring, they demonstrate a clear commitment to building international understanding between anti-authoritarian rebels and deepening practices of solidarity. However, when it came to the broader context of struggle in the Syrian territory, he seemed not to understand that there could possibly be revolutionaries outside of Rojava. I don’t raise this to criticise him personally – I think his work in building international solidarity with Rojava is very valuable. However, he is far from alone in this attitude and I want to understand how someone so evidently committed to engaging with revolutionary currents in Syria could ignore the struggles being waged in the rest of the country.
When several people in the audience questionned the recent attacks by the SDF against territory controlled by other rebel groups north of Aleppo, Paul largely repeated the propaganda of the SDF, the Assad regime, and the Russian military (all of whom collaborated in these attacks): everyone there is al-Qaeda or ISIS, there is no one worth listening to. Paul insisted that these attacks were necessary to link the Efrin Canton to Kobane Canton (two provinces of Rojava) and assumed that only Assad supporters would have a problem with this.
Lots more at the link.
The Most Important Thing: Two speaking tours and the Syrian Revolution
These two tours both offered anarchist perspectives on Syria and yet their narratives were surprisingly different – on our walk to the bus station, we dug into those differences and tried to understand them. In spite of their scale and commitment, the anarchic practices carried out by the Syrian revolution (not in Rojava) have been largely ignored by anarchists in the west, while Rojava has been widely, and often uncritically, celebrated. In light of rapidly changing events on the ground, as grassroots groups risk being decisively overshadowed by the maneuvers of states, it’s important to look more carefully at Rojava and the Syrian revolution to see where our solidarity should lie. This will help us support revolutionaries there in the years to come and also make sure that, in the present, anarchist support isn’t fuelling forces that divide and undermine revolutionary energy.
...
One reason for the lack of international support for the Syrian revolution might be that it has largely been made invisible. The stories of Razan and Omar underline an important reason for this invisibility – many of the anarchists and most passionate activists were killed (usually by the regime )early on or were forced to flee the country. Rojava, on the other hand, had a different experience of the regime’s violence, which contributed to increased visibility.
In his talk, Paul shared many personal stories of his travels through the liberated territories of Rojava, mostly in the Kobane area. These stories are compelling and inspiring, they demonstrate a clear commitment to building international understanding between anti-authoritarian rebels and deepening practices of solidarity. However, when it came to the broader context of struggle in the Syrian territory, he seemed not to understand that there could possibly be revolutionaries outside of Rojava. I don’t raise this to criticise him personally – I think his work in building international solidarity with Rojava is very valuable. However, he is far from alone in this attitude and I want to understand how someone so evidently committed to engaging with revolutionary currents in Syria could ignore the struggles being waged in the rest of the country.
When several people in the audience questionned the recent attacks by the SDF against territory controlled by other rebel groups north of Aleppo, Paul largely repeated the propaganda of the SDF, the Assad regime, and the Russian military (all of whom collaborated in these attacks): everyone there is al-Qaeda or ISIS, there is no one worth listening to. Paul insisted that these attacks were necessary to link the Efrin Canton to Kobane Canton (two provinces of Rojava) and assumed that only Assad supporters would have a problem with this.
Lots more at the link.
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butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Lister chairing a discussion with the authors.of Burning Country on the way that the revolutionary aspects outside of Rojava have been deliberately buried by a motley coalition of pro-regime types, anti-imperialists and Kurdish nationalists. If you've not got the time to read their book or Listers (and his is huge and massively detailed) this is the way to go.
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
Don't suppose anyone has those books in eformat?
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