American anarchists meaninglessly devour themselves at Portland Conference

[butchersapron]

I don't know why I do this to myself, but I was curious - mildly, not excessively curious - to find out who these DGR beasts are. Turns out they are the wrong kind of women (as in radfems).

http://feministcurrent.com/7773/podcast-deep-green-resistance-under-attack/

Oh god, don't make me go any deeper, please.

 

[SpookyFrank]

Am I imagining things, or is the nomenclature actually getting even more complicated?



‘LGBTIQQAA’ - now 50% better than ‘people’.

LGBTQ is the most complex iteration I've yet encountered, but for reasons this thread illustrates very well I don't read US activist literature.

I struggle with the idea that the best way to fix the problems which come from putting people into arbitrary categories are best solved by the creation of more categories.

 

[butchersapron]

I don't know why I do this to myself, but I was curious - mildly, not excessively curious - to find out who these DGR beasts are. Turns out they are the wrong kind of women (as in radfems).

http://feministcurrent.com/7773/podcast-deep-green-resistance-under-attack/

That's a rather nice house.

 

[SpookyFrank]

As is persons. What an odd bunch.

Using 'persons' instead of 'people' just makes me think of that curious dialect found only in statements written by police officers.

 

[butchersapron]

Copshootcop.

 

[Das Uberdog]

The whole ploy is to position someone as defending/not caring/justifying something bad then appeal to the audience. It really is that simple. Addressing any issues, nope, no chance.

And i still haven't personally seen any of this over here - not one example. The best would be individuals acting like dicks at the bookfair.

though i haven't seen any out and out protests of this kind in this country, all of the Occupy movement employed its language and concepts and the most vocal of the intersectionalist twitter lot certainly advocate this kind of behaviour...

i have seen similar outcomes r.e. individuals being 'outed' from movements on the basis of absolutely nothing other than a personal gripe from a bunch of mouths - and within the ISN etc we have seen similarly toxic debates which have actually torn organisations asunder.

though there is, granted, an extra step required inbetween here between such things and this protest above, or the Oakland fiasco.

 

[DaveCinzano]

That's a rather nice house.

I suspect that to a deep green anti-civ radfem that may not come across as a compliment

 

[SpookyFrank]

That's a rather nice house.

That fake stone fireplace is ghastly.

 

[Monkeygrinder's Organ]

‘LGBTIQQAA’ - now 50% better than ‘people’.

What was that dodgy old game show where you had to bid for how many you can get?

I think I can name 7.

 

[DotCommunist]

I think one of the A's is ally

I is intersex.

 

[J Ed]

AA is ally and asexual I think

 

[J Ed]

QQ = queer and questioning

 

[SpookyFrank]

I think one of the A's is ally

I is intersex.

Ally? Who is this Ally person who bethinks him/her/them/itself suitably different and important as to have her own name added to an acronym?

 

[DaveCinzano]

QQ = queer and questioning

If not queer, then certainly rum

 

[Monkeygrinder's Organ]

Ah right, Ally and Questioning were the two I didn't know.

 

[DaveCinzano]

Ally? Who is this Ally person who bethinks him/her/them/itself suitably different and important as to have her own name added to an acronym?

 

[Monkeygrinder's Organ]

Oppressed all the way back to the third division.

 

[DotCommunist]

Oppressed all the way back to the third division.

its his place in the progressive football stack

 

[DaveCinzano]

Oppressed all the way back to the third division.

All flute and no dogwhistle

 

[SpookyFrank]

Oh hang on, is it ally as in the singular of 'allies'?

Does this mean, what, an ally of (insert all the other categories here) or something? Wouldn't that imply that everyone else is an enemy of such people?

 

[Das Uberdog]

http://www.anamardoll.com/2012/11/deconstruction-how-to-be-male-ally.html

 

[DaveCinzano]

Oh hang on, is it ally as in the singular of 'allies'?

Your name will also go on zee list!

 

[DotCommunist]

of course the point of an acronym is to distill a long descriptor in an easy to remember and reproduce format.

Whereas this one has come to be a virtual 'pin the meaning to the letter' game

 

[SpookyFrank]

http://www.anamardoll.com/2012/11/deconstruction-how-to-be-male-ally.html

OK, that sums up a lot of the sort of things I try to do. I never really thought I needed a category of my own though, or at least no category more specific than 'decent human being'.

 

[Das Uberdog]

i think part of the point is to be patronising, one of the inverted privilege pyramid strategies... being told in childlike terms about how to behave decently is suitably infantilising for the white cis male

 

[SpookyFrank]

i think part of the point is to be patronising, one of the inverted privilege pyramid strategies... being told in childlike terms about how to behave decently is suitably infantilising for the white cis male

Normally I hate that sort of stuff but there's nothing in that article you linked to that I can disagree with. It covers a lot of inappropriate things that men might do despite having the best intentions, trying to identify with someone who is in a situation you cannot identify with for example, and sometimes we do need these things spelling out to us.

It sounds a bit arrogant for me to say, 'oh, that's what I do anyway' but I wasn't born with an instinctive understanding of these things. It's something you have to put some actual work into, something you have to learn by fucking up a great many times first and becoming aware of how and why you've fucked up.

e2a: I still don't feel like anyone's ally though, I don't think we should put any man into a category that suggests his work is done and his capacity to harm women has been negated. I think we should see it less as a fight to get into the club called 'allies' and more as a fight to stay out of the club called 'cunts'.

 

[Rimbaud]

The weird call-response thing strongly reminds me of going to Catholic Church as a kid. "And the response is..."

Very religious.

 

[ItWillNeverWork]

OK, that sums up a lot of the sort of things I try to do. I never really thought I needed a category of my own though, or at least no category more specific than 'decent human being'.

LGBTIQQAASFTDHB

 

[Idris2002]

LGBTIQQAASFTDHB

 

[Das Uberdog]

Normally I hate that sort of stuff but there's nothing in that article you linked to that I can disagree with. It covers a lot of inappropriate things that men might do despite having the best intentions, trying to identify with someone who is in a situation you cannot identify with for example, and sometimes we do need these things spelling out to us.

It sounds a bit arrogant for me to say, 'oh, that's what I do anyway' but I wasn't born with an instinctive understanding of these things. It's something you have to put some actual work into, something you have to learn by fucking up a great many times first and becoming aware of how and why you've fucked up.

e2a: I still don't feel like anyone's ally though, I don't think we should put any man into a category that suggests his work is done and his capacity to harm women has been negated. I think we should see it less as a fight to get into the club called 'allies' and more as a fight to stay out of the club called 'cunts'.

you're right that article's not so bad. this one is far worse, mainly for the fact it's written by a guy... and more indicative of the similar ones.

http://michaelurbina.com/101-everyday-ways-for-men-to-be-allies-to-women/