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Alex Jones got banned from FB!

First they came for Info Wars, and I did nothing because I didn't like Info Wars

Then they came for me because I never accused grieving parents of murdered children of being crisis actors
 
Saw this on Facebook today. Conspiracy loon stuff or genuine concern?

In A Corporatist System Of Government, Corporate Censorship Is State Censorship
Loon stuff based on a total misreading of the term corpratist which developed out of conspiracy theorists invention of a quote then attributing it to mussolini. The quote is

“Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power.”

He never said it. And when Italian fascists talked of corporatism they meant a state based around the hierarchical integration of various bodies representing parts of society - typically say unions representing Labour, bosses organisations representing capital, and the state acting as the overarching organiser/adjudicator.

It does not and never has meant the merger of corporations (as businesses) and the state, something which simply hasn't happened anyway. Which means the idea that we all live in fascism today - the intention of the invention - falls.
 
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Saw this on Facebook today. Conspiracy loon stuff or genuine concern?

In A Corporatist System Of Government, Corporate Censorship Is State Censorship

Former FBI agent says tech companies must “silence” sources of “rebellion”

US Congressional hearing:
Former FBI agent says tech companies must “silence” sources of “rebellion”
By Andre Damon
1 November 2017

Top legal and security officials for Facebook, Twitter and Google appeared before the Senate Judiciary Committee Tuesday, in a hearing targeting “Extremist Content and Russian Disinformation Online.”

Over the course of four hours, senators argued that “foreign infiltration” is the root of social opposition within the United States, in order to justify the censorship of oppositional viewpoints.

Russia “sought to sow discord and amplify racial and social divisions among American voters,” said Democratic Senator Dianne Feinstein of California. It “exploited hot button topics…to target both conservative and progressive audiences.”

Republican Senator Chuck Grassley of Iowa said Russia helped promote protests against police violence in Ferguson, Baltimore and Cleveland. Russia, he said, “spread stories about abuse of black Americans by law enforcement. These ads are clearly intended to worsen racial tensions and possibly violence in those cities.”

Democratic Senator Mazie Hirono of Hawaii demanded, for her part, that the companies adopt a “mission statement” expressing their commitment “to prevent the fomenting of discord.”

The most substantial portion of the testimony took place in the second part of the hearing, during which most of the Senators had left and two representatives of the US intelligence agencies testified before a room of mostly empty chairs.

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Clint Watts addresses a nearly-empty hearing by the Senate Judiciary Committee
Clint Watts, a former U.S. Army officer, former FBI agent, and member of the Alliance for Securing Democracy, made the following apocalyptic proclamation: “Civil wars don’t start with gunshots, they start with words. America’s war with itself has already begun. We all must act now on the social media battlefield to quell information rebellions that can quickly lead to violent confrontations and easily transform us into the Divided States of America.”

He added, “Stopping the false information artillery barrage landing on social media users comes only when those outlets distributing bogus stories are silenced—silence the guns and the barrage will end.”

As this “civil war” rages on, he said, “our country remains stalled in observation, halted by deliberation and with each day more divided by manipulative forces coming from afar.”

The implications of these statements are staggering. The United States is in the midst of a civil war, and the necessary response of the government is censorship, together with the abolition of all other fundamental democratic rights. The “rebellion” must be put down by silencing the news outlets that advocate it.

That such a statement could be made in a congressional hearing, entirely without objection, is an expression of the terminal decay of American democracy. There is no faction of the ruling class that maintains any commitment to basic democratic rights.

None of the Democrats in the committee raised any of the constitutional issues involved in asking massive technology companies to censor political speech on the Internet. Only one Republican raised concerns over censorship, but only to allege that Google had a liberal bias.

The Democrats focused their remarks on demands that the Internet companies take even more aggressive steps to censor content. In one particularly noxious exchange, Feinstein pressed Google’s legal counsel on why it took so long for YouTube (which is owned by Google) to revoke the status of Russia Today as a “preferred” broadcaster. She demanded, “Why did Google give preferred status to Russia Today, a Russian propaganda arm, on YouTube? ... It took you until September of 2017 to do it.”

Despite the fact that Feinstein and other Democrats were clearly pressuring the company to take that step, the senators allowed Richard Salgado, Google’s Law Enforcement and Information Security Director, to present what was by all appearances a bald-faced lie before Congress. “The removal of RT from the program was actually a result of…is a result of some of the drop in viewership, not as a result of any action otherwise. So there was … there was nothing about RT or its content that meant that it stayed in or stayed out,” Salgado stammered, in the only time he appeared to lose his composure during the hearing.

Salgado’s apparently false statement is of a piece with Google’s other actions to censor the Internet. These include changes to its search algorithm, which, behind the backs of the public, have slashed search traffic to left-wing websites by some 55 percent, with the World Socialist Web Site losing some 74 percent of its search traffic.

Stressing the transformation of the major US technology companies into massive censorship operations, Democratic Senator Sheldon Whitehouse of Rhode Island asked the representatives of the firms, “I gather that all of your companies have moved beyond any notion that your job is only to provide a platform, and whatever goes across it is not your affair,” to which all answered in the affirmative.

When pressed by lawmakers to state how many people were employed by Facebook to moderate content, Colin Stretch, the company’s general counsel, said that Facebook employed “thousands” of such moderators, and was in the process of adding “thousands more.”

While the senators and technology companies largely presented a show of unity, just how far the companies were willing to go in censoring users’ content and helping the government create blacklists of dissidents was no doubt a subject of contentious debate in the background.

On Friday, Feinstein sent a letter to Twitter’s CEO demanding that the company hand over profile information—possibly including full names, email addresses, and phone numbers—related to “divisive” “organic content” promoted by “Russia-linked” accounts.

Although the senators largely steered away from the issue of “organic content” in their questions, a remark by Sean Edgett, Twitter’s acting general counsel, made clear that the “organic content” Feinstein’s letter was referring to included the social media posts of US-based organizations and individuals. Edgett said “organic tweets,” include “those that you or I or anyone here today can tweet from their phone or computer.”

The New York Times reported over the weekend, however, that Facebook has already begun turning lists of such “organic content” over to congressional investigators. Given that Facebook has said that just one “Russia-linked” company had posted some 80,000 pieces of “divisive” content, including reposts from other users, it is reasonable to assume Facebook and Twitter are being pressured to turn over information on a substantial portion of political dissidents within the United States.

Genuine Concern !
 
To begin with , I have to say, I was just fine with the censorship used against Jones. This is because of my strong feelings about the consequences of harrassment and inciting violence ie. the Sandy Hook parents being harrassed and defamed into hiding. However, listening to the other side of the argument from those on the left who are more pro-free speech shall we say (eg. see Jimmy Dore's latest insightful video on this subject in which he makes some very compelling arguments), I think I might be changing my mind. Facebook and these big tech companies (along with the government) are now going after other people (on the left), people who are not inciting violence or harrassing anyone, just for telling the truth- which undermines people like facebook. People like Jimmy Dore saw this coming and predicted it would happen and now it is.
 
I don't find Jimmy Dore compelling at all. The argument that bad speech is countered with good speech is so simplistic it beggars belief; it completely ignores structural relations and oppression.

I will say that I am uncomfortable with silencing people. However I do not believe that Alex Jones is a good faith operator, he is a fascist enabler and na instigator of violence. He has called repeatedly for violence against people he disagrees with. This is is MO. The treatment of the Sand Hook survivors and families is beyond disgusting. I hope they sue the fat cunt for every fucking nickel and leave him dead in the gutter, frankly.

However he has power; he is VERY popular. Popular enough for some clown with a machine gun to front up to a pizza restaurant to 'investigate' the truth about alleged child rape!

This is not free speech. This is hate speech. It is not countered by facts, if it were the above wouldn't be happening. This is the Sam Harris/Christopher Hitchens ideology. It presumes a level playing field because rich white privileged people are the ones advocating this position. When Jimmy Dore advocates this he ignores the fact that Jones, essentially a scam artist hawking survivalist products on air, supports the ascendant right+white+christian+guns. That's a toxic combination. But when confronted with facts - even from someone as vile as Piers Morgan - he plays the victim card, before loudly shitting his pants.

This is a problem. I agree with the likes of Michael Brooks and Sam Seder who argue that the problem isn't so much that cunts like AJ get shut down, but with the notion that social media, which should be considered a modern day part of the commons (we all need internet access), should not be privately owned. I would have no problem with a communally owned horizontally run social media space telling Jones to eat a bag of dogshit instead of giving him a platform. I am not comfortable with hispter wankers like Jack Dorsey deciding who gets to speak. Especially when NONE of these organisations have a proven track record of anything but hypocrisy. YouTube will ban people for speaking out AGAINST oppression whiel continuing to allow thundercunts like Sargon, Bearing, Stefan Molyneux, Katie fucking Hopkins, Lauren Souther, Paul Joseph Cuntface, and any other of these tedious fact-ignoring human-migraines to spew their UTTER hatred. For money.

And of course Tommy Robinscum.
 
However I do not believe that Alex Jones is a good faith operator, he is a fascist enabler and na instigator of violence. He has called repeatedly for violence against people he disagrees with. This is is MO. The treatment of the Sand Hook survivors and families is beyond disgusting. I hope they sue the fat cunt for every fucking nickel and leave him dead in the gutter, frankly.

However he has power; he is VERY popular. Popular enough for some clown with a machine gun to front up to a pizza restaurant to 'investigate' the truth about alleged child rape!

This is not free speech. This is hate speech.
He can/should be prosecuted for incitement etc, doesn't mean we have to let the tech company censorship genie out of the bottle. I suggest you read the article I posted, it reveals some very alarming details about what is going on and who is behind this censorship and for what reasons.
 
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The free speech debate can be tricky . I think it is a good idea to have free speech. I can not articulate why though :(

Chomsky got into trouble over this with the French

Faurisson affair
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The Faurisson affair was an academic controversy in the wake of a book by French scholar Robert Faurisson, a Holocaust denier. The scandal largely dealt with the inclusion of an essay by American linguist Noam Chomsky, entitled "Some Elementary Comments on the Rights of Freedom of Expression", as an introduction to Faurisson's book, without Chomsky's knowledge or approval. Responding to a request for comment in a climate of attacks on Faurisson, Chomsky defended Faurisson's right to express and publish his opinions on the grounds that freedom of speech must be extended to all viewpoints, no matter how unpopular or fallacious.

His defense was the target of subsequent accusations by various academics and groups. The accusers claimed that his defense went beyond free speech arguments, and that it included a defense of Faurisson's work, and in general they sought to discredit Chomsky by claiming that there was a deeper philosophical and political association between him and Faurisson.

On several occasions, Robert Faurisson has been convicted under French law for his speech. For instance, on October 3, 2006, he was sentenced to a three-month suspended sentence by the Paris correctional court, for denying the Holocaust on an Iranian TV channel.[1]

The Faurisson affair greatly damaged Chomsky's reputation in France, a country he did not visit for almost thirty years following the affair, and where translation of his political writings was delayed until the 2000s.[2][3][4]

Cheeky fuckers ... considering the recent bloody expulsion of the Roma !
 
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