Petition: ban disposable vapes
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BigMoaner
What A Load of Old Bollocks
yes, smok nord for me. 20mg but with its strength, i only use it maybe once an hour. it's a bit like a fag in that regard. long gone are my days of 3mg and sucking on the thing all day. urgh. just a quick blast now and then, yum.
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
Another good argument for restricting the sale of vaping products to licensed shops and requiring them to a) check the age of buyers and b) operate effective recycling schemes where a replacement device can be obtained at a discount rate upon exchange with the old device and c) where users can be assisted to use better, cheaper and less wasteful devices.
A ban will achieve none of this and will enhance the allure of the disposable
skyscraper101
0891 50 50 50
I was just thinking about this, and wondering if I'm being hypocritical by using disposable razors. But they just end up in the recycling in my house and I don't see them littering the streets either so I think I'm OK with it.
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
Distinct lack of lithium batteries in them!
RainbowTown
Well-Known Member
The Financial Times have a good take on the cost to the environment of these 'smoker friendly' alternatives:
www.ft.com
The environmental cost of single-use vapes | Financial Times
Critical raw metals inside the disposable e-cigarettes enticing Gen Z are more likely to be dumped than recycled
Shippou-Sensei
4:1:2.5
Less addictive too I'd wager a guess.
StoneRoad
heckling from the back!
Disposable vapes are a waste of materials, especially the Lithium.
They are difficult to recycle, not impossible, just difficult.
The presence as litter in the environment is extremely problematical.
And that gets worse every day that they continue to be available.
The other problematical aspect is their use to start rather than stop smoking, especially by "youngsters"
I'm not convinced banning them would work {compare prohibition in the States, or weed in the UK}
What might significantly improve the situation would be to ...
a) strictly regulate {license} their sale [and proper enforcement]
b) put a decent deposit on each one, to encourage returns. [that worked on pop bottles]
c) encourage recycling in other ways
They are difficult to recycle, not impossible, just difficult.
The presence as litter in the environment is extremely problematical.
And that gets worse every day that they continue to be available.
The other problematical aspect is their use to start rather than stop smoking, especially by "youngsters"
I'm not convinced banning them would work {compare prohibition in the States, or weed in the UK}
What might significantly improve the situation would be to ...
a) strictly regulate {license} their sale [and proper enforcement]
b) put a decent deposit on each one, to encourage returns. [that worked on pop bottles]
c) encourage recycling in other ways
UnderOpenSky
baseline neural therapy
d) tax them so hard there is a strong incentive to use reusable kit.
Mind you the TPD banned the sale of e liquid bottles bigger then 10ml which is more waste.
StoneRoad
heckling from the back!
maybe those bottles should have a deposit / recycling scheme as well ...
UnderOpenSky
baseline neural therapy
Well in the grand scale of plastic waste, its tiny, but it's certainly a thing. It's also pushed up the price for many people who wouldn't understand or want to add nicotine to bigger bottles, which makes disposables more attractive.
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
You can still buy bigger bottles of eliqud, but you have the nictotine to it - which is extremely wasteful. There is one simple change that could be made, allowing people to buy eliquid mixed to the appropriate strength.
UnderOpenSky
baseline neural therapy
Which unless you import from China (or find a dodgy site) comes in 10mg 20mg bottles.
For once you can blame the EU and be correct.
platinumsage
HaveMyPassword123
Blah blah:
Ministers set to ban single-use vapes in UK over child addiction fears
Government understood to have concluded the disposable nicotine products are mainly aimed at under-18s
ska invita
back on the other side
stopping disposables is one thing, but the flavour police can fuck off as can the Prescription Only zealots
UnderOpenSky
baseline neural therapy
Blah blah:
Ministers set to ban single-use vapes in UK over child addiction fears
Government understood to have concluded the disposable nicotine products are mainly aimed at under-18swww.theguardian.com
I don't disagree that baning them is a good (although I got caught short and bought one recently) but adults can enjoy sweet flavours as well.
Also it's a bit alarmist to say that they are the highest allowed nicotine. Because the law has already been changed to reduce it, which is why they are set at that. And the reason it's higher is because the heating coils are so weak they hardly use any liquid. I'd get more of a hit of juice a quarter of the strength on a different vape.
editor
hiraethified
It's just fucking ridiculous that in a climate crisis we're manufacturing tens of millions of throwaway, one use products stuffed full of electronics and plastics,
UnderOpenSky
baseline neural therapy
Well yes. So let's focus on that.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
The reduction in the maximum allowed nicotine is of dubious health value. For those of us addicted to it, higher nicotine levels reduce the need to vape so much. It's not really the nicotine that's damaging you. Taking in all that vapour all the time is almost certainly worse - can bring on asthma, for example.
I briefly switched to lower nicotine but I was sucking on the damn thing all the time. I very quickly switched back up.
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hiraethified
But making such things attractive to children with funky colours and sweet flavours also has to be part of the discussion.
UnderOpenSky
baseline neural therapy
Adults don't like sweet flavours? When I started vaping years ago I tried the tobacco ones and they were vile.
I think elf bar are probably one of the most popular. You could argue for plainer packaging still, but it's not like there are cartoon characters. I don't think the many brands they stock my local shop are much differerent. In fact I'd say they are more responsible then some e liquid.
There's a lot less under age drinking then when I was younger. How about we have tighter punishments for those found supplying them.
And yes ban disposables.
Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
Surely it must be possible to devise a pressurised container of the vape juice, so a small vape can be refilled in the same manner as a cigarette lighter? Add a rechargeable battery and the throwaway waste is gone. How much liquid do the rechargeable vapes hold?
UnderOpenSky
baseline neural therapy
Why do you need to? Pod vapes have existed for years and can be filled fine with a normal 10ml eliquid bottle.
Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
RTA?
Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
My grandson has never smoked a cigarette in his life' He is currently addicted to nicotine due to vaping. It started at a party where after a few beers, he had a toot on someone's vape. Then another. Then another. Then he bought one.
I asked him what he would do if the vape ran out and he couldn't get hold of one. 'I suppose that I'd try a cigarette'.
I asked him what he would do if the vape ran out and he couldn't get hold of one. 'I suppose that I'd try a cigarette'.
Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
Ah. OK. I know bugger all about them, which is now blatantly obvious.
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