ska invita
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Good! Hopefully one day they'll be selling weed legally too
Petition: ban disposable vapes
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cupid_stunt
Merry fecking Christmas.
It's crazy, we don't have a single old fashioned tobacconist shop in Worthing, i.e. a shop just selling fags, baccy, pipes, etc.
Every shop that sells fags & baccy also sell vapes, which is fine as the are all fairly low-key outlets, and yet we also have well over a dozen vape only shops, all heavily promoting special offers to try and get the punters in, they are simply not needed.
cupid_stunt
Merry fecking Christmas.
I would love to see weed outlets, but they would be licenced and controlled, as these vape stores should, instead of the free for all and heavy promotional activity that I am seeing now.
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hiraethified
Exactly.
ska invita
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what would be the difference between a licensed vape shop and a non licensed vape shop?
skyscraper101
0891 50 50 50
I suspect the barrier to entry is a lot lower if you're just setting up a vape shop. Plus it wouldn't surprise me if most of them are just fronts for money laundering.
cupid_stunt
Merry fecking Christmas.
I can't believe you are even asking that question TBH.
New laws and regulations need to be brought in to the prevent the free for all and heavy promotional activity that is taking place, this is a classic example of the 'free market' at its worst, promoting & pushing highly addictive and harmful* products to as many new punters as possible, which tends to be designed to catch them young.
To make vape retailers subject to the same sort of licencing as those selling fags & alcohol is the only sensible thing to do, it would massively reduce the rough traders, where fines don't always work, but the risk of losing their licence and business tend to do so.
* Not as harmful as smoking, but still harmful.
cupid_stunt
Merry fecking Christmas.
Oh, the barrier to entry is a lot lower, and I agree many are probably fronts for money laundering, just like nail bars & hand car wash places.
ska invita
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I'm asking in good faith. Having a license to do things isn't much part of my life experience
If you are worried about "promotional activity" - advertising? - I dont see how licensing a vape shop changes that. That would be rules around advertising.
Imagine I got a license to open a vape shop and did so...what fuck up would I have to do to lose that license? Is it just to sell to someone under 18? Is there any other aspect to this?
Its already illegal to sell to under 18s, but if what you are saying is the fines aren't big enough and somehow not stopping those people caught from still selling to under 18s, then I take your point
Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
As a further demonstration of my paucity of knowledge re vapes, what are the coils that people mention they need to replace fairly frequently?
newme
Giant in Pastyland now
Bit with an absorbent material to take up liquid, is heated to then allow inhalation
weltweit
Well-Known Member
Vaping helped me give up smoking, always had a refillable, now down to the minimum nicotine level, will at some point go to zero and after that the only thing left will be to give up.
One of the best inventions (few) to come out of China. The refillables I mean.
The disposables are just wrong.
One of the best inventions (few) to come out of China. The refillables I mean.
The disposables are just wrong.
cupid_stunt
Merry fecking Christmas.
I'm asking in good faith. Having a license to do things isn't much part of my life experience
If you are worried about "promotional activity" - advertising? - I dont see how licensing a vape shop changes that. That would be rules around advertising.
Imagine I got a license to open a vape shop and did so...what fuck up would I have to do to lose that license? Is it just to sell to someone under 18? Is there any other aspect to this?
Its already illegal to sell to under 18s, but if what you are saying is the fines aren't big enough and somehow not stopping those people caught from still selling to under 18s, then I take your point
Let me draw a comparison to a very few 'corner shops' here in Worthing, and indeed across West Sussex, that lost their licences after being caught out selling alcohol and/or tobacco products to underaged teens, I would expect the same to apply if they (or licenced vape shops) broke the law on marketing, it basically plays out like this -
1st time caught out, off to court, loads of excuses and promises about improving staff training, small fine.
2nd time caught out, within a few months because none of those promises were kept, the same old excuses and promises, much larger fine.
3rd time caught out, within a few months again, because ditto, even larger fine & licence withdrawn, loads of whining about it would result in the shop closing and job loses.
Shop doesn't close and jobs are not lost, but it gets 'sold' to a more responsible person, who gets granted a licence, and funny enough doesn't then take the piss, isn't caught out despite several attempted test buys by trading standards, job done. And, funny enough other small shops gets the message that enforcement of licences is serious business, and they also behave themselves.
And, of course, the income from licences covers the council's cost to enforce them, rather than council tax payers having to fund it.
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hiraethified
Ban the things
www.theguardian.com
More than a million vapes a day in UK thrown away, says research
From June 2025 it will be illegal to sell single-use vapes to combat environmental damage
Nigel
For A Degenerates' Workers State
YOU'RE THE NANNY STATE!Ban the things
More than a million vapes a day in UK thrown away, says research
From June 2025 it will be illegal to sell single-use vapes to combat environmental damage
8ball
1,200 lights
Ban the things
More than a million vapes a day in UK thrown away, says research
From June 2025 it will be illegal to sell single-use vapes to combat environmental damage
Absolutely.
Purely on the basis that young people enjoy them.
Little shits.
Shippou-Sensei
4:1:2.5
In my years of teaching I have caught a small handful of students with tobacco
I constantly need to address vapes.
I may be the nanny state but then you are the failed parents
I constantly need to address vapes.
I may be the nanny state but then you are the failed parents
UnderOpenSky
baseline neural therapy
I honestly don't get it. If your vaping regularly why not buy some kit.
I'm guilty of using these at the moment, but that's because I stopped nicotine earlier in the year and one of the micro free things last me months. I still feel bad, but plan to stop totally in the new year.
I'm guilty of using these at the moment, but that's because I stopped nicotine earlier in the year and one of the micro free things last me months. I still feel bad, but plan to stop totally in the new year.
Ax^
Silly Rabbit
maomao
普費斯
If you're a teen whose vape gets confiscated regularly then disposables make perfect sense.
Also I guess the reason they still had packs of ten for so long. Every time I failed at giving up smoking it started with a pack of ten. And I rarely stocked up on cigarettes because I was always giving up next week.
Nigel
For A Degenerates' Workers State
FASCIST
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hiraethified
This weird shouty persona you've just adopted really isn't working out for you.
Shippou-Sensei
4:1:2.5
I considered posting nazi anime girls as a joke but I held back as they aren't as funny as you.
Although it's more funny as in more seats on public transport rather than comedic.
Seen these recently which is presumably because of the ban coming. They're refillable but are still disposable (presumably as you can't replace the coil or whatever they have) and seem to last about 10 times normal disposable ones so not great.
Been vaping for a good few years with kits but can see the appeal of the disposable ones as smoother than any kit I've had. Admittedly I don't know much about kits as have just bought online as find vape shops bizarre and the amount of options just confusing.
Glad they're getting banned as environmentally they are a disaster but looks like they'll still be an issue with lots of batteries still ending up in landfill.
Been vaping for a good few years with kits but can see the appeal of the disposable ones as smoother than any kit I've had. Admittedly I don't know much about kits as have just bought online as find vape shops bizarre and the amount of options just confusing.
Glad they're getting banned as environmentally they are a disaster but looks like they'll still be an issue with lots of batteries still ending up in landfill.
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