AL sweady inquiry enquiry complete

[likesfish]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-30515369

Inquiry chairman Sir Thayne Forbes said some aspects of how the detainees had been treated did amount to ill treatment, but it was not deliberate ill treatment.

The "most serious allegations" which "have been hanging over these soldiers for the past 10 years" have been found to be "without foundation," he said.

To date the inquiry - set up in 2009 - has cost more than £24m.

Iraqi's lied and lied again

 

[articul8]

They were inadvertently starved, sleep deprived, humiliated and brutalised it seems. Nothing remotely like torture or deliberate ill treatment.

 

[not-bono-ever]

do you think there really was even the remotest chance of the allegations proven, given the situation with the interred ? there are hardly going to be any independent, i.e. non military or spook , witnesses to the events that happened behind closed doors.

 

[likesfish]

But not murdered or tortured which was the accusation.Being humilated and immediatly denied food when you just ambushed your captors and your colleagues have massacred 6 brirish soldiers your getting off lightly

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

 

[Diamond]

The firm involved looks pretty suspect to say the least.

e2a - for clarity, the firm representing the Iraqis...

 

[likesfish]

do you think there really was even the remotest chance of the allegations proven, given the situation with the interred ? there are hardly going to be any independent, i.e. non military or spook , witnesses to the events that happened behind closed doors.

Well the army did deal with the death of baha mousa badly but dealt with it.
This allegation was twenty iraqis were taken alive to the camp tortured then executed and the bodies mutilated.
Not armed insurgents found being taken prisoner the experiance a bit harsh they were armed insurgents not innocent farmers.

 

[Blagsta]

The firm involved looks pretty suspect to say the least.

e2a - for clarity, the firm representing the Iraqis...

Suspect? In what way?

 

[Diamond]

Suspect? In what way?

A cursory look at their website shows that their only two trainees have the same name as the single partner, which implies nepotism of a fairly profound degree - it would be like a city firm hiring their entire trainee intake for a cycle (maybe 50 or so people) from the senior partner's family.

 

[dylanredefined]

The firm involved looks pretty suspect to say the least.

e2a - for clarity, the firm representing the Iraqis...

Snaffling at the public trough. Same firm mucked up in Kenya.
Knew soldiers who were there. Their view was if they knew what was to happen they wouldn't have bothered taking prisoners. Some of the allegations were just nuts.

 

[Diamond]

The more I think about this, the more it seriously fucks me off.

This is exactly the kind of bullshit case that appears to justify the cuts to legal aid.

Some greedy partner, probably not all bad, set off on a course, found it highly profitable, and rode it home to a large purse although with no victory for his clients, who he probably never gave a shit about anyway.

I volunteer on a more or less weekly basis at a walk-in pro bono clinic and we have seen the number of clients rise dramatically in the past 6 months or so as a result of legal aid cuts. Firms like this do not help.

 

[Blagsta]

A cursory look at their website shows that their only two trainees have the same name as the single partner, which implies nepotism of a fairly profound degree - it would be like a city firm hiring their entire trainee intake for a cycle (maybe 50 or so people) from the senior partner's family.

What are you on about?

http://www.publicinterestlawyers.co.uk/people.php

 

[Diamond]

What are you on about?

http://www.publicinterestlawyers.co.uk/people.php

Interesting, I'm pretty sure that Leisha Shiner was listed as a trainee when I posted earlier...

 

[Diamond]

That would be alongside Bethany Shiner, under the supervision of practice head and partner Phil Shiner.

 

[likesfish]

They have done some good work but playing overseas not their forte
The kenyan UXB suit smelled yes people were hurt killed by uxb but the ranges were also used by the kenyan and US forces but a fair one.
The rape case was a fiasco from start to finish the British forces would have to have been raping 24/7 to account for the number cases. walking into the third world saying HM goverment will give you money if you sign this. Piece of paper is going to go well.
Iraq even more corrupt more hostile getting a holiday in beriut and $100 a day is plenty of reason to keep the enquiry going as long as possible.

 

[Blagsta]

Interesting, I'm pretty sure that Leisha Shiner was listed as a trainee when I posted earlier...

I think you probably saw what you wanted to see.

 

[Diamond]

I think you probably saw what you wanted to see.

Fair enough - my mistake.

The wider point still stands though, albeit on the basis that the partner apparently employs his two relatives (possibly his daughters) as a trainee and a paralegal. And, with a firm this small, the distinction between paralegal and trainee is pretty vague.

The central issue, though, is of such a massive legal aid case being roundly defeated aside from a few marginal points.

I wonder how much money was state funded here and whether it might have been used more effectively elsewhere.

 

[Diamond]

Would be interesting to know how much in the black the firm is from this matter...

 

[KeeperofDragons]

31milion! Now that's damned expensive whitewash

 

[likesfish]

it wasnt a fucking whitewash.
Their was a battle people were killed.
Then some idiot had the idea to take bodies of armed insurgents back to camp hence rumours started that prisoners were taken alive and then killed and the bodies mutilated.
Which was all untrue.

• If you were going to torture and massacre people why leave any survivours
• You dont hand the bodies back the disappear 1st rule of amnesty international big book of war crimes

 

[nino_savatte]

Iraqi's lied and lied again

Unlike 'our boys', eh? They always tell the truth.

 

[likesfish]

When £24 million has just been spent clearing the army of a lie.

• They massacred a bunch of prisoners a lie
• That the survivours were innocent farmers a lie they were armed and admitted it

The whole case was bullshit the iraqis lied and that cunt shiner shouldnt be allowed near another legal aid case ever. Its the 2nd time he's cost the Uk serious amounts of dosh bringing a dubious case.

 

[coley]

When £24 million has just been spent clearing the army of a lie.

• They massacred a bunch of prisoners a lie
• That the survivours were innocent farmers a lie they were armed and admitted it

The whole case was bullshit the iraqis lied and that cunt shiner shouldnt be allowed near another legal aid case ever. Its the 2nd time he's cost the Uk serious amounts of dosh bringing a dubious case.

Pity the law firm can't be made to pay the costs of the enquiry.

 

[likesfish]

http://www.publicinterestlawyers.co.uk/go_files/files/PW3ZFRGF73UL.pdf

Their press statement bullshit trebles all round.
The story had so many holes in it from the start you could drive a warrior through it. The main defensecwas if you were going on a murder torture rampage why leave any witnesses?