8ball
Maximum Facepalm
I'm not an expert, but I'm not really convinced they're any of those things.
Afghanistan: Mission Accomplished
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spring-peeper
Well-Known Member
Canada is trying to get people out. Target is the same as the UK - 20,000.
globalnews.ca
eta: should be higher than Germany....
Canada has reached a deal for 2 military planes to resume ‘flying regularly’ into Kabul - National | Globalnews.ca
Details about dates or times of evacuation flights remain unclear as efforts intensify to evacuate citizens and Afghans from the Taliban, who have seized control of Afghanistan.
globalnews.ca
Defence Minister Harjit Sajjan says two Canadian military aircraft are set to resume “flying regularly” into Kabul as part of the international effort to evacuate civilians and citizens fleeing the Taliban takeover.
Global News has confirmed the development comes after Canada and the U.S. reached a deal to allow Canadian aircraft to begin flying into and out of Kabul. But there are no details yet on when the flights will begin arriving in Kabul or returning home.'
eta: should be higher than Germany....
TopCat
Putin fanboy
A victorious army, dedicated to unifying Afghanistan in an Islamic Emirate.
teqniq
DisMembered
Worth a read:
www.sarahchayes.org
The Ides of August
August 15, 2021I’ve been silent for a while. I’ve been silent about Afghanistan for longer. But too many things are going unsaid. I won’t try to evoke the emotions, somehow both swirling and yet leaden: the grief, the anger, the sense of futility. Instead, as so often before, I will use my mind...
www.sarahchayes.org
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
Glad you agree with both of the points that I’ve made. That the previous characterisation of the Taliban is being reconstructed before our eyes by the state/(s) and by the archipelago of the PMC around it/them. Second, that none of the reasons for this are defensible and all lead in tragic directions for ordinary Afghans.
However on two points we do not agree. Firstly, the charge made by you and others that to highlight and interrogate the meaning of their adherence to imposing sharia is ‘Eurocentric’. This is pure post-colonial studies confusion guaranteed to lead to disorientation: emptying out the full history, development, ideology and political orientation of the Taliban. Ironically it demands that we must limit our understanding: tracing its emergence through a purely euro-centric lens and set of reference points. Yes, the existence of the Taliban and its ideas are partly a response to repeated - failed attempts - to colonise Afghanistan but to pretend that alone is a sufficient explanation is hopeless I’m afraid. And yet, a lot of what I’m reading is ground in that superficial and disorientating analysis. There is a whole history of the development across the region of thought, practise, ideas, power and structures of feeling developed completely outside of the woefully narrow post-colonial lens.
Also, othering is precisely where we need to be. This is, as you say, a particular strain of islamo-fascism rooted in medieval practises and ideas. It’s bitterly ironic that, for much of the parts of the left that spends significant amounts of its time wrongly seeing the fascist bogey man everywhere and hurling the accusation around, that it’s incapable of recognising a particular form of it when it actually emerges.
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mojo pixy
שיר חדש
That's fair enough and yes I agree. But actually using the word medieval as a descriptor undermines a lot of that moral high ground IMO. It's unnecessary, only superficially true, and in the long run probably counterproductive.
Anyway. I've said my thing.
Plus (facetiously, but ) if they're medieval and they beat us, what does that make us?
Anyway. I've said my thing.
Plus (facetiously, but ) if they're medieval and they beat us, what does that make us?
ska invita
back on the other side
at least our brave boys kill children, rape, torture and murder civilians, "for the right reasons"And worse. What's with the tarring?
Life under the 'moderate' Taliban: Fighters tar a 'car thief'
The Taliban's new 'moderate' facade has already been betrayed by pictures emerging today of alleged thieves being tarred, reports of a journalist shot dead and a woman for her dress.www.dailymail.co.uk
Army accused of covering up war crimes in Afghanistan and Iraq | ITV News
Leaked documents allegedly contain evidence implicating British troops in the torture of civilians. | ITV National News
www.itv.com
Child murder, torture and sexual abuse by British troops covered up by government, report alleges
Investigation claimed to have uncovered evidence of murders by SAS soldier and sexual abuse of detainees by Scottish regiment
www.independent.co.uk
Did UK Special Forces execute unarmed civilians?
New evidence suggests some of the UK's most elite troops had a policy of killing unarmed men.
www.bbc.co.uk
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
Aye, and I’ve said mine too. But, the real counterproductive politics is to mischaracterise who they are. Anyway, enough, there will be more to say as all of this unfolds
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Yes, because that’s totally widespread, not illegal at all, and part of occupation policy. Fucking idiot.at least our brave boys kill children, rape, torture and murder civilians, "for the right reasons"
Army accused of covering up war crimes in Afghanistan and Iraq | ITV News
Leaked documents allegedly contain evidence implicating British troops in the torture of civilians. | ITV National NewsChild murder, torture and sexual abuse by British troops covered up by government, report alleges
Investigation claimed to have uncovered evidence of murders by SAS soldier and sexual abuse of detainees by Scottish regimentetc etcDid UK Special Forces execute unarmed civilians?
New evidence suggests some of the UK's most elite troops had a policy of killing unarmed men.www.bbc.co.uk
maomao
普費斯
It's widespread and covering it up is policy on the ground.
It's possible to be against the Taliban and western imperialism. It's a total fucking mess and both sides are shit.
Othering and acting the exact same way as colonialists from previous eras means the moment the US retreat the formerly occupied are left with nothing. No industry, no civil service, no development, no money in their national bank. Why because they Afghans ane not to be trusted, they might favour rival States in the future. They are written off as an asset.
Brainaddict
slight system overdrive
Compared to a fully equipped army they are. They travel around on trucks with handheld weapons. They'll have some minor artillery but I haven't even seen pictures of them in a tank, though with the evaporation of the army they might have some soon.
not-bono-ever
meh
Ashraf Ghani is in UAE, fled Afghanistan with 169 million US dollars
According to the foreign ministry, former Afghan President Ashraf Ghani is in the United Arab Emirates (UAE) after fleeing the country as the Taliban took
insiderpaper.com
Not a bad haul but won’t go far in the uae these days
Brainaddict
slight system overdrive
Yeah, you hate them. Well done. What next?
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
That's not what happens here though, is it. Good old Urban leftie rules dictate that an outrage is not an outrage nor a disaster a disaster unless it can be attributed to the US or the UK, and criticism of murderous factions be immediately offset with 'the west is just as bad'. We've even got cunts here complaining about the Taliban being characterised as "medieval", ffs, and this BillRiver bellend throwing "Daily Mail reader" slurs at people critical of head-chopping, women-stoning, scum. Fuck off. This is why the left will never form a government in this country again. Wankers.
planetgeli
There's no future in England's dreaming
I can only read that up to 6. Twitter does this thing now where you can't click 'see thread' (in entirety) unless you join. Fuck Twitter seriously. It's one thing having a near takeover of all comment on news, another to actually stop people even reading unless they join the club.
bimble
floofy
That is crap. The main point is clear by 6 though.
A legal system applied consistently across regions & without bribes involved is a desirable thing if your life’s been screwed by the lack of such a thing, even if the content of it the punishments etc are brutal.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
Yeah, which is why they've gone across the country unopposed. Meanwhile the former President rocks up in Dubai with $169,000,000 in cash on him.
gosub
~#
Well that and there not being being enough actual cash in the country to pay government wages
planetgeli
There's no future in England's dreaming
Be fair. He left $5million on the runway apparently. Couldn't carry it all.
gosub
~#
That is a very ungenerous way of looking at it. Might have been a tip, trickle down economics and all that
Yossarian
⏭️
War crimes from Western and Western-backed forces in Afghanistan were widespread and rarely punished, which seems very relevant to any discussion of how the Taliban gained strength and why support for the Afghan government remained weak. It's not the first insurgency where the killing of civilians boosted recruitment.
In 2015, an American AC-130 gunship destroyed a hospital in Kunduz and circled back to fire on survivors fleeing the burning building - 42 people were killed and the US personnel involved only received letters of reprimand. In the years after the US loosened the rules engagement in 2017, 800 children were killed in airstrikes.
How US-Funded Abuses Led to Failure in Afghanistan
As U.S. forces continue their withdrawal from Afghanistan, postmortems on the 20-year U.S.-led military intervention are underway.
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TopCat
Putin fanboy
Tanks and mountains don’t mix well.
felixthecat
are we there yet?
And the Americans have left all their kit behind because its simply too expensive and difficult to ship it back to the US. They've got equipment and enough firepower
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
I’d rather doubt that any abandoned US equipment will have been left in useable condition.
Curiouscarl
Active Member
Educate me. I thought Saudi Arabia funded 911. Which was the reason for all of this?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
you'd rather hope you mean
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