Accused rapist Ched Evans to be released from prison

[Athos]

.... is subject to confirmation.

So, none then. Like I said: speculation.

 

[Orang Utan]

There's got to be a better way of doing all this. The law is an ass for sure.

 

[Pickman's model]

There's got to be a better way of doing all this. The law is an ass for sure.

How would you improve things?

 

[Orang Utan]

How would you improve things?

Not a Scooby

 

[1927]

If after a re-trial he was found not guilty because of the new evidence and that evidence had been found by the hiring of private investigators I would be very worried indeed - your average Joe can't afford such a luxury and if he was the average joe then he would've been stuck with a criminal record and known as a rapist. However, looking to far ahead.

So it's ok for him to be found guilty even though he could afford the truth to be discovered?

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

If after a re-trial he was found not guilty because of the new evidence and that evidence had been found by the hiring of private investigators I would be very worried indeed - your average Joe can't afford such a luxury and if he was the average joe then he would've been stuck with a criminal record and known as a rapist. However, looking to far ahead.

Would very much depend on what this fresh evidence turns out to be; guess it will prove to be a technical thing.

But if he gets a guilty, that'll be twice convicted of the same offence, which would be weird.

 

[Athos]

Clearly, what's not ok is that those who cannot affort private detectives are denied the opportunity to aduce exculpatory evidence, given the inabilty/lack of motivation for the police to unearth it. Further perpetuating a two tier 'justice' system.

 

[DotCommunist]

Would very much depend on what this fresh evidence turns out to be; guess it will prove to be a technical thing.

But if he gets a guilty, that'll be twice convicted of the same offence, which would be weird.

finish the terms of his previous sentence as well then instead of sailing out early

 

[Athos]

Would very much depend on what this fresh evidence turns out to be; guess it will prove to be a technical thing.

But if he gets a guilty, that'll be twice convicted of the same offence, which would be weird.

No it won't, since the first verdict has been quashed.

 

[1927]

finish the terms of his previous sentence as well then instead of sailing out early

If he was to be found guilty in a retrial he will just continue to serve the original sentence which will be served in licence. He won't do any more jail time.

 

[Athos]

finish the terms of his previous sentence as well then instead of sailing out early

That's standard: anyone with a determinate sentence of two or more years serves the first half in prison and the second half on license - it's not like he was treated any differently to other prisoners, in that respect (which is a different argument from the adequacy of sentences for rape, and the many other way the criminal justice system fails rape victims).

 

[RubyBlue]

So it's ok for him to be found guilty even though he could afford the truth to be discovered?

Wtf??

 

[belboid]

Wtf??

have you not come across 1927 before? He has form for this sort of shit

 

[1927]

have you not come across 1927 before? He has form for this sort of shit

I was pointing out the fact that RubyBlue would be uneasy that he may have uncovered evidence by using PI's. If he can afford it what is wrong with that?

 

[RubyBlue]

have you not come across 1927 before? He has form for this sort of shit

Ah, no I havent - cheers.

 

[1927]

have you not come across 1927 before? He has form for this sort of shit

And why is my comment shit?

 

[RubyBlue]

I was pointing out the fact that RubyBlue would be uneasy that he may have uncovered evidence by using PI's. If he can afford it what is wrong with that?

You misread - look at Athos' post above - he got it.

 

[Spymaster]

Clearly, what's not ok is that those who cannot affort private detectives are denied the opportunity to aduce exculpatory evidence, given the inabilty/lack of motivation for the police to unearth it. Further perpetuating a two tier 'justice' system.

Assuming, of course, that private investigation is involved. That too is speculation.

 

[Spymaster]

finish the terms of his previous sentence as well then instead of sailing out early

He's done his time in accordance with any other con.

 

[Spymaster]

No it won't, since the first verdict has been quashed.

Are you aware of any other cases where a conviction's been quashed, retrial ordered, and the defendant convicted again?

 

[Athos]

Assuming, of course, that private investigation is involved. That too is speculation.

No, the fact that that wealthy defendents employ private detectives (and others e.g. expert witnesses) is a matter of fact, not speculation. I don't know whether it happened in this case, and neither stated nor implied that it did; I was making the more general point.

 

[Spymaster]

I was pointing out the fact that RubyBlue would be uneasy that he may have uncovered evidence by using PI's. If he can afford it what is wrong with that?

What about people who can't afford it?

 

[jcsd]

Are you aware of any other cases where a conviction's been quashed, retrial ordered, and the defendant convicted again?

Yes it does happen.

 

[Spymaster]

Yes it does happen.

Of course it does, but are you aware of a specific case that we can have a look at?

 

[belboid]

Of course it does, but are you aware of a specific case that we can have a look at?

why do you need to look at anything? what bearing would it have on this case?

 

[Spymaster]

I was making the more general point.

Yes. I overlooked that in my rush to get one over on you.

 

[Spymaster]

why do you need to look at anything?

Just out of personal interest.

 

[belboid]

Just out of personal interest.

But what would the point be? It would have no relevance to this case, or any other.

 

[J Ed]

The views of so many people on this case are just fucking poison. The number of people who have told me that she was obviously lying because she was a 'slag', disgusting. I can't follow the case because it's so anger inducing.

 

[Spymaster]

But what would the point be?

To see what happened.

It would have no relevance to this case, or any other.

Does that matter?

I asked a lawyer the same question earlier and was told to Google it. I often find that posting questions here get more satisfactory results because someone either has an opinion, or does the Googling for me.