Accused rapist Ched Evans to be released from prison
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Doctor Carrot
Marxist Henchman
I don't really want to wade through 65 pages to find this answer, yes that makes me lazy but I don't understand how he could've been charged with rape if there are no witnesses to it and the victim didn't make a complaint?
Edit: Spymaster answered while I was making this post.
emanymton
A cat politely sat on the flaming gardener.
I thought she just intended to report a missing handbag?
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
She didn't report the rape, she has maintained all along that she has no recollection of the evening. All the evidence comes from Evans, McDonald and the hotel porter.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Yeah, ok.
And they said she was fully awake and enjoying it, she said she couldn't remember. There was expert testimony at the 2012 appeal that she could have consented at the time but forgotten afterwards, but that wasn't accepted back then. So a lot of what one would obviously consider grounds for appeal has already been rejected in 2012.
Need to see what the new evidence is but it sounds like it's clearly stronger than that.
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wobbly
why in the fuck is the first port of call when questioning a rape allegation or conviction to call for the victim to face prosecution for false allegation?
even in cases where the prosecution wasn't made on the grounds of a victim complaint.
and in cases where it was, there are a thousand reasons for a not guilty verdict other than the complainant deliberately lied.
provably false allegations are astoundingly rare. nd hen they do happen, they are more often made by someone else who believes they own the complainant's sexuality or are some other indicator of serious concerns for their welfare. the lying vindictive golddigger is incredibly rare. just reported on excessively if it ever does occour. and alleged in many oth3er cases. to protect rapists. and to protect society from the evils of women who think they own their own bodies.
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wobbly
that's because it's someone else's responsibility to educate you when you can't be arsed to google?
trashpony
Hag
He can't be given a higher sentence at a retrial. Whatever the outcome, he is unlikely to spend any more time inside.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
he didn't even finish what he was given first time round, got out early
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
That's not what I said is it?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
you're new round here, aren't you?
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wobbly
yes it is.
you jumped straight to suggesting that the prosecution was based on false allegation. considering approximately 1% of rapes result in conviction, that's a massive leap and promotes a myth that is hugely damaging to rape victims.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Bollocks.
What part of "if it is shown that..." do you not understand?
This, in the context of previous suggestions that the fresh evidence related to her postings on FB.
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Starry Wisdom
have you any reasonable grounds for suspecting she may have made a false allegation?
D'wards
IT'S YOUR DECISION DANIEL
She was never a "rape accuser" afaik - she reportede her handbag missing and after detailing what happened that night the polis thought "allo". So even if Evans is acquitted i would hope she wouldn't face any prosecution, or have any grief (but we know that this is literally impossible what with social media pricks)
trashpony
Hag
My friend who is a barrister says she thinks that Evans' girlfriend's family will have funded some research/expert witness stuff into alcohol levels/effect on the brain/being conscious or not.
And that it is not anything to do with the victim making a false allegation. Because, as Bahnhof Strasse has already pointed out, if that were the case, there wouldn't be a retrial.
And that it is not anything to do with the victim making a false allegation. Because, as Bahnhof Strasse has already pointed out, if that were the case, there wouldn't be a retrial.
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Starry Wisdom
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
It seems possible that she may have withheld evidence that may have led to an acquittal.
She said she couldn't remember what happened. The prosecution convinced a jury that despite Evans' and McDonnell's testimonies to the contrary that that meant she was unable to consent. It's been said quite a few times that the fresh evidence relates to her posts on Facebook.
The conviction was based on her not remembering giving consent and other witnesses saying that she was extremely drunk.
If that is the case, what could she possibly have posted on FB that would have resulted in the conviction being quashed?
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Starry Wisdom
thank you. no further questions.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
No attempt to answer the question then?
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Starry Wisdom
no, prosecuting counsel don't answer questions from the witness.
trashpony
Hag
Indeed. But she thinks they've thrown money at that problem - funding additional research
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
The point being, if she posted on FB something along the lines of "had a great night out with Ched Evans and Clayton McDonald the other night", or similar, it kind of puts the cat amongst the pigeons, doesn't it?
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Starry Wisdom
i put it to you that your allegation she may have made a false allegation is, itself, false.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Well I suppose we'll see. I'm sceptical that they'd have commissioned research so similar to expert analysis that had already been rejected, and have it accepted this time to a degree that the conviction is quashed. But I guess it's possible.
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Plastic Paddy
Given that I have made no such allegation I think we can safely ignore you.
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Starry Wisdom
Guys, please be careful with what you post. Evans' lawyers may well complain about social media speculation and comment if there is any application by them in light of the huge media splash, and trials can be derailed if there is comment which could be seen by jurors.
Here's an example of a case which was derailed due to social media, which no doubt caused huge additional stress to the defendants, the victim's relatives, and all involved.
British Broadcasting Corporation & Eight Other Media Organisations, R (on the application of) v F & D [2016] EWCA Crim 12 (11 February 2016)
Here's an example of a case which was derailed due to social media, which no doubt caused huge additional stress to the defendants, the victim's relatives, and all involved.
British Broadcasting Corporation & Eight Other Media Organisations, R (on the application of) v F & D [2016] EWCA Crim 12 (11 February 2016)
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