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Absolutely the only single GE 2017 results thread.

I particularly like the fact that "they" still haven't got a clue what happened or why :D

They're completely disoriented.

That's good.

Hmmm, not entirely. The blame game is afoot and both the Indy and the Graun are running stories concerning these people:

A former aide to Theresa May has revealed how she oversees a “toxic” operation at No 10 and relies on an adviser with “crazy ideas”.

Katie Perrior lifted the lid on a “dysfunctional” team surrounding the Prime Minister who bombarded Cabinet ministers with rude text messages.

The former Downing Street director of communications, until two months ago, pointed the finger at Ms May’s powerful joint chiefs of staff – Fiona Hill and Nick Timothy....

The inside story on Theresa May's 'toxic' operation, according to an aide who quit

so I would be unsurprised to see them go along with May later on.
 
I think it would be like going back in time over a hundred years, at best. It would be terrible.

I'M not so up on Irish politics so willing to learn. Thanks.


Theres alot of anger in NI/Ireland about how essentially the DUP have been ignored by Mainstream British politics and media.

I know it's been mentioned before but Arlene Foster is heavily implicated in the cash for ash heating scandal.
Q&A: What is the Northern Ireland ‘cash for ash’ scheme?

I know it sounds silly but it's already cost the taxpayer around 500m

Then there's "Project Eagle"

Give me a Crash Course in... Project Eagle


The Cash for Ash scandal was so massive, it forced a SF walk out of Stormont Assembly. The DUP won't make Foster quit, so theres a complete impasse in the NI assembly. Foster going into coalition with the Tories makes her position impossibly strong, therefore the whole Peace Process is stalled.
 
This will almost certainly mean the death knell for stormont in the immediate future . It'll greatly complicate brexit for the Tories as the DUP will insist on various sweeteners . It'll leave the Tories open to widespread ridicule and possibly bring them down . Cause another election. And if the DUP get their way on orange marches it'll also lead to widespread rioting and worse .

It won't lead to stability, that's for sure .
 
This from the new yorker is rather fine

And it came to pass, in the land of Britain, that the High Priestess went unto the people and said, Behold, I bring ye tidings of great joy. For on the eighth day of the sixth month there shall be a general election.

And the people said, Not another one.

And they waxed wroth against the High Priestess and said, Didst thou not sware, even unto seven times, that thou wouldst not call a snap election?

And the High Priestess said, I know, I know. But Brexit is come upon us, and I must go into battle against the tribes of France, Germany, and sundry other holiday destinations. And I must put on the armor of a strong majority in the people’s house. Therefore go ye out and vote.

And there came from the temple pollsters, who said, Surely this woman will flourish. For her enemy is as grass; she cutteth him down. He is as straw in the wind, and he will blow away. And the trumpet of her triumph shall sound in all the land.

And the High Priestess said, Piece of cake.

And there came from the same country a prophet, whose name was Jeremy. His beard was as the pelt of beasts, and his raiments were not of the finest. And he cried aloud in the wilderness and said, Behold, I bring you hope.

And suddenly there was with him a host of young people. And he said unto them, Ye shall study and grow wise in all things, and I shall not ask ye for gold. And the sick shall be made well, and they also will heal freely. And he promised unto them all manner of goodly things.

And the young people said unto him, How shall these things be rendered, seeing that thou hast no money in thy purse?

And he spake unto them in a voice of sounding brass and said, Soak the rich. And again, Pull down the mighty from their seats.

And the young people went absolutely nuts.

And they hearkened unto the word of Jeremy, and believed. For they said unto themselves, Lo, he bringeth unto us the desire of our hearts. He cometh by bicycle, with a helmet upon his head. And he eateth neither flesh nor fowl, according to the Scriptures. For man cannot live by bread alone, but hummus is quite another matter.

And the High Priestess saw all these things and was sore. And she gathered unto her the chief scribes and the Pharisees and said unto them, What the hell is going on?

And they said unto her, It is a blip, as if it were a rough place upon the road.

But they said unto themselves, When the government was upon her shoulders, this woman was mighty. But now that she has gone abroad unto every corner of the land, she stumbleth. For surely it is written that ruling and campaigning are as oil and water, and there shall be no concord betwixt them.

And the chief scribes wrote upon tablets, saying, Jeremy is false of tongue. He hideth wickedness in his heart. And his sums do not add up.

And nobody paid any attention.

And the elders rose up and said to the young people, If ye choose Jeremy, he will bring distress in your toils and wailing upon your streets. Do ye not remember the nineteen-seventies?

And the young people said, The what?

And the elders spake again, and said to the young people, Beware, for he gave succor in days of yore to the I.R.A.

And the young people said, The what?

And the young people said, Jeremy shall bring peace unto all nations, for he hateth the engines of war that take wing across the heavens. And he showeth respect for all peoples, even unto the transgender community.

And the elders said, The what?

And it came to pass that the heathen of this land came among the people, with fire and sword, and slew many among the faithful. And great was the lamentation.

And the High Priestess waxed exceeding wroth and said to the people, Fear not. For I shall bind your wounds and give ye shelter from the heathen, and shall take up the sword against them.

And there came again pollsters from the temple, who said, Will the people not vote for her in this hour of need?

And nobody paid any attention.

And it came to the vote.

And the elders went up to vote, and the young people. And the young people were as a multitude. And in the hours of darkness there was much counting. And the young people watched by night, and the elders went to bed.

And there came in the morning news that the High Priestess had vanquished the prophet Jeremy. But the triumph of the High Priestess was as the width of a nail. And she was vexed.

And the elders and the chief scribes and the Pharisees spoke among themselves, yea, even in the corners of their houses.

And there was great rejoicing amidst the multitude of the young. And they took strong wine, and did feast among themselves. And there were twelve baskets left over.

And of the pollsters there was no sign.

And the people saw Jeremy and said, Surely this man has won? Doth he not skip in gladness like a young hart upon the hills?

And there was great murmuring among the elders. And they said unto themselves, Weep not. For the High Priestess doth but prepare the way. Cometh there not one who is greater than she?

And they said, Behold, for the hour of the redeemer is upon us. And his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, the Prince of Peace. And they cried in one voice, Boris.

And the young people said, Oh, shit.

And the people gave tongue, and made supplication unto the Lord, saying, Lord, let our cry come unto thee.

And the Lord thought the whole thing was absolutely hilarious.

And then the people said, Lord, what shall we do regarding Brexit? For henceforth the High Priestess shall be as weak as a newborn lamb. How shall we hope for continued access to the single market?

And the Lord said, The what?
 
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Just a few of the articles that were pushing "the longest suicide note in history" line on the manifesto.

The Spectator John McTernan: Labour's draft manifesto is just appalling | Coffee House

The Economist http://www.economist.com/blogs/speakerscorner/2017/05/manifesto-madness

The Times Manifesto has echoes of ‘longest suicide note in history’

The Mirror Corbyn's Labour face a worse drubbing at the polls than under Foot in 1983

The Irish Times The British Labour party’s ‘new suicide note’

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Dunno what the editorial line of The Hindu is but their Tabish Khair took a more sober view, and offered a constrast with the uncritical treatment of Macron's policies.

The mystery of Jeremy Corbyn’s manifesto

It remains perfectly valid to ask whether these Labour measures are enough or fully ‘sustainable’, but that is not what is being done by much of the U.K. media. Instead, the very effort is being dismissed.

Is it the case that, being paid huge salaries by the neo-liberal dream, which is becoming a nightmare for many, British media leaders (who are not necessarily editors) do not wish to question its myths. Especially the cardinal myth that ‘national bankruptcy’ can be avoided only by passing on public debts to individuals, as private debts, while nationally subsidising banks and corporations.
 
And here we go . Stability eh ?

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On the plus side the subtext seems to be cops no longer allowed to kettle
 
All of that is great, of course it is.

However let's say there's another election in the autumn or a year from now. Can we be sure that corbyn's 'momentum' will continue? What about after a coupole of years, say if Brexit goes tits up? People are fickle and, I fear, that after a period of no real results they will change to someone else. It seems Labour's gains were on the basis of pretty slim margins. These could be easily overturned by a Tory campaign that, as i'm sure it will be because even the bastards aren't this fucking stupid, will not make the same mistakes as last time.

So my concern is that, if the tories get their shit together enough to even just cost their manifesto, they will win. Even now they are still the dominant party in seat numbers. THat's what counts.

Otherwise yes it's great and hopefully this signifies the real start of the collapse of the aristocunts and their media empire, but I fear this is a blip.

If you don't want it to be a blip, then stop being a doom-monger, get off your arse and do something about it. Whilst people on here (& most Labour MP's) were fretting about how big the Tory majority was going to be, Momentum were out there, knocking on doors, pounding on pavements & stopping it from happening.
 
I would throw a note of caution into the mix though.

I know people who would normally vote Tory or at a push Lib Dem, who voted Labour in this election as a "one off" protest. If (and it's a massive if) the Tories replace May with someone a little more humane/competent they might return should there be another election that Corbyn could win.

Whether these kinds of votes outweigh the "increased turn out" votes remains to be seen, but I wouldn't get too triumphalist about the outcome of a second election just yet.

The underdog factor may also have been strong. that is gone now.
This is a very good point, but also, yep a very big 'if'. I mean who have they got?
 
This twitter thread gives a summary of whats going on in NI and how it relates to Brexit.

NI have had no government in over 6 months, and technically should be reverting to direct rule by Westminister right now, and the British Political Establishment were just kicking it into touch until this happened, and now they may have irrevocably fucked the peace process AND Brexit negotiations.
 
I particularly like the fact that "they" still haven't got a clue what happened or why :D

They're completely disoriented.

That's good.

actually 'they' do have a very good idea of why this happened - the shit offer, the shit presentation, the total absense of any kind of 'movement'/zing/whatever, the ever increasingly - and massively obvious - hole in their central premise, the ghost of police cuts past coming back to haunt May - and thats just them.

the disorientation/disbelief isn't the tories reeling from electoral defeat, its them reeling from the realisation of how reckless they were in handing total control over the election to people who had no campaigning talent and then compounding that by not taking back control when it became clear that all was not well.

the tory forums are full of people who've been warning of something akin to what happened for over a month, people who have been utterly exasperated by the woeful manifesto (more than one asked on the day of its publication if it was fake news..) and the disasterous presentation and conduct of the campaign.

you'll not find a denial or delusion in the tory party - what you won't find however is anyone who thinks they can see a way of out the hole they are in.
 
What's all-too-evident from that is that they think the PLP is the world entire. I hope they're all feeling very ill today.

I think they helped the Labour vote massively. Their doom-mongering allayed some complacency, for a start. And there's a saying somewhere about you can judge a man by his enemies; Corbyn's mostly being slick, privileged establishment types lends him a lot of credibility as a man of the people despite his own upbringing.
 
actually 'they' do have a very good idea of why this happened - the shit offer, the shit presentation, the total absense of any kind of 'movement'/zing/whatever, the ever increasingly - and massively obvious - hole in their central premise, the ghost of police cuts past coming back to haunt May - and thats just them.

the disorientation/disbelief isn't the tories reeling from electoral defeat, its them reeling from the realisation of how reckless they were in handing total control over the election to people who had no campaigning talent and then compounding that by not taking back control when it became clear that all was not well.

the tory forums are full of people who've been warning of something akin to what happened for over a month, people who have been utterly exasperated by the woeful manifesto (more than one asked on the day of its publication if it was fake news..) and the disasterous presentation and conduct of the campaign.

you'll not find a denial or delusion in the tory party - what you won't find however is anyone who thinks they can see a way of out the hole they are in.

I don't think it's just the shitness of the Tory campaign that has got former Tory voters and swathes of ostensibly m/c people in The South of England suddenly getting enthusiastic about the Labour manifesto, nationalisation etc.

Nor is it, I hope, just shit presentation that has empowered the electorate to start using ballots to deliver shock after shock result across the West.

But I do hope the Tories do get consumed (as has Labour before them) in thinking it's all about form and nothing to do with content.
 
All of that is great, of course it is.

However let's say there's another election in the autumn or a year from now. Can we be sure that corbyn's 'momentum' will continue? What about after a coupole of years, say if Brexit goes tits up? People are fickle and, I fear, that after a period of no real results they will change to someone else. It seems Labour's gains were on the basis of pretty slim margins. These could be easily overturned by a Tory campaign that, as i'm sure it will be because even the bastards aren't this fucking stupid, will not make the same mistakes as last time.

So my concern is that, if the tories get their shit together enough to even just cost their manifesto, they will win. Even now they are still the dominant party in seat numbers. THat's what counts.

Otherwise yes it's great and hopefully this signifies the real start of the collapse of the aristocunts and their media empire, but I fear this is a blip.

This is a real concern, but we shouldn't forget that there is a lot of risk for them in having another election before Brexit negotiations are complete - it would be impossible to present as being in the national interest for a start, but also the other factors that made May go for it this time (the collapse in Labour polls, the economy doing alright, the real impact of the cuts not yet biting, UKIP being led by a cretin and the tailing off of their support etc) are unlikely to be present again.

I'd also bet that the one thing CCHQ will take away from this election is to never again schedule a polling day for term-time, which means October is out.
 
Theres alot of anger in NI/Ireland about how essentially the DUP have been ignored by Mainstream British politics and media.

I know it's been mentioned before but Arlene Foster is heavily implicated in the cash for ash heating scandal.
Q&A: What is the Northern Ireland ‘cash for ash’ scheme?

I know it sounds silly but it's already cost the taxpayer around 500m

Then there's "Project Eagle"

Give me a Crash Course in... Project Eagle


The Cash for Ash scandal was so massive, it forced a SF walk out of Stormont Assembly.

That's not even remotely true , it's how the shinners have since spun it . The NAMA scandal involved much bigger sums for starters . That crooked deal was worth a billion quid . And the shinners stayed put and as usual helped cover DUP backs . Just as they did with red sky .

They were doing exactly the same as regards RHI and closing ranks when a DUP minister thought it would be a laugh to cut a piffling £ 50,000 Irish language bursary scheme . Over christmas , when he sent out a sneery Christmas e mail announcing it . That set sectarian alarm bells off all over the place . That was when the shinners knew the jig was up and jumped out of bed . They tacked the RHI thing on later . They were and are perfectly prepared to get back into bed with foster regardless of the RHI debacle providing the DUP make concessions on the Irish language act to placate the tribe and the tribal identity politics the whole things built upon . They couldn't give a fuck about the boiler scandal .
 
This is a real concern, but we shouldn't forget that there is a lot of risk for them in having another election before Brexit negotiations are complete - it would be impossible to present as being in the national interest for a start, but also the other factors that made May go for it this time (the collapse in Labour polls, the economy doing alright, the real impact of the cuts not yet biting, UKIP being led by a cretin and the tailing off of their support etc) are unlikely to be present again.

I'd also bet that the one thing CCHQ will take away from this election is to never again schedule a polling day for term-time, which means October is out.
I don't think it would matter if it coudn't be argued in the national interest, once it happens people will feel compelled to vote. No tory voter is going to refuse to support his party just because he felt it a bad decision to call an election just as I woudl doubt that happened yesterday.

I hope that this is a sign of the true beginning of the end for the Tories, but i think that great day is a long long time coming. They still took 318 seats. A lot more than Labour. I fully endorse Corbyn chancing his arm with an alternative appeal to the queen, but I doubt it would make any difference. He would need a fully compliant coalition across almost everyone that's not the DUP or the bastards. Even then it would still be a thin majority and he would struggle in just the way people have told me would happen when I argued prior that people should vote corbyn.

It is certainly a peculiar outcome and I hope it bodes well for the left, but the left is so divided and the media isn't going to stop being a bunch of cunts just because the curtain's been pulled back to show them for what they are
 
If you don't want it to be a blip, then stop being a doom-monger, get off your arse and do something about it. Whilst people on here (& most Labour MP's) were fretting about how big the Tory majority was going to be, Momentum were out there, knocking on doors, pounding on pavements & stopping it from happening.
Ironically I was arguing prior to the vote that people should do exactly that, and there seemed to be a strong consensus among many on here that voting was at best a waste of time and that at worst voting in Corbyn would make things worse.
 
Ironically I was arguing prior to the vote that people should do exactly that, and there seemed to be a strong consensus among many on here that voting was at best a waste of time and that at worst voting in Corbyn would make things worse.

It's not merely voting or getting people out to vote, it's all the hard and unrewarding work that has done besides. Your arguments mostly here of voting Labour to change things doesn't result in that.
 
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