Absolutely the only single GE 2017 results thread.

[Ax^]

hopefully Murdoch has had year's shaved off his life by the result

we should be rid of him in another 20

 

[Nylock]

The Tories are only 8 seats down ffs, this is hardly a victory!

True but there's plenty for Labour Corbynite supporters to take away from this to help keep their momentum up (pardon the pun)...

GE's Since 1945 compared to tonight:
GE Turnout: 68.7% (16th) [1st Atlee '50: 83.9%]
Total votes cast for Labour: 12,874,985 (5th) [1st Atlee '51: 13,948,385]
Vote increase since previous election: 3,527,681 (2nd) [1st Atlee '45: 3,982,758] *
Vote Share since previous election: 40% (11th) [1st Atlee '51: 48.8%]
Vote share increase since previous election: 9.6% (2nd) [1st Atlee '45: 9.7] **
Seats Won: 262 (15th) [1st Blair '97: 418]
Increase since previous election: 30 (6th) [1st Atlee '45: 239]

* From 2001-2010, Labour haemorrhaged 4,911,640 votes. Milliband ameliorated this slightly by adding 740,777 in 2015 bringing the losses from '97 down to 4,170,863. Last night the Labour vote rebounded to within 643,182 votes of the 1997 popular vote figure. Corbyn et al's manifesto won over 3.5 million voters back to Labour: their best increase in popular vote since Attlee in 1945.

** Beat Blair's '97 increase by almost a percentage point (8.8 / 9.6) and again, only bettered by attlee in 1945. Blair also lost almost all of that increase in vote share by the time the 2005 election had been won.

Yes, the tories will continue to try and lay the boot in until they are binned but it's a strong possibility that that's where they are headed should this coalition of chaos collapse and a new GE is called in the Autumn. Also, the minority nature of their govt (the DUP seats don't take them THAT far over the top) means that this lot are incredibly vulnerable to backbench revolts on all sorts of issues. You'll probably find the more onerous ideas getting quietly shelved for now as both 'hard' and 'wet' tory backbenchers eye their much reduced majorities and get restive in the run up to 'Brexit GE take 2'....

In absolute terms, yeah, Labour lost but then again, the Tories lost way more overall and that's no bad thing.

 

[Nine Bob Note]

Tomorrow's paper to claim that chair of 1922 Committee (key backbench Tory caucus) demanded May go back to media and apologise to MPs who lost their seats running on her platform, with her manifesto and under her campaign strategy. And she did

Tim Montgomerie (ex-ConservativeHome, now Times) also claims Cameron reached out to all the seat-losing failed candidates to commiserate, but that May didn't (at last not at the time).

So, unknowingly, the people of Altrincham last night returned our actual supreme overlord? Go, democracy!! *happy dance*

 

[Casually Red]

Hacker translates DUP websites into Irish - BBC News

And another

Wikipedia ‘hack’ claims Adolf Hitler leads kingmakers of UK politics

 

[Casually Red]

True but there's plenty for Labour Corbynite supporters to take away from this to help keep their momentum up (pardon the pun)...

GE's Since 1945 compared to tonight:
GE Turnout: 68.7% (16th) [1st Atlee '50: 83.9%]
Total votes cast for Labour: 12,874,985 (5th) [1st Atlee '51: 13,948,385]


Vote increase since previous election: 3,527,681 (2nd) [1st Atlee '45: 3,982,758] *
Vote Share since previous election: 40% (11th) [1st Atlee '51: 48.8%]
Vote share increase since previous election: 9.6% (2nd) [1st Atlee '45: 9.7] **
Seats Won: 262 (15th) [1st Blair '97: 418]
Increase since previous election: 30 (6th) [1st Atlee '45: 239]

* From 2001-2010, Labour haemorrhaged 4,911,640 votes. Milliband ameliorated this slightly by adding 740,777 in 2015 bringing the losses from '97 down to 4,170,863. Last night the Labour vote rebounded to within 643,182 votes of the 1997 popular vote figure. Corbyn et al's manifesto won over 3.5 million voters back to Labour: their best increase in popular vote since Attlee in 1945.

** Beat Blair's '97 increase by almost a percentage point (8.8 / 9.6) and again, only bettered by attlee in 1945. Blair also lost almost all of that increase in vote share by the time the 2005 election had been won.

Yes, the tories will continue to try and lay the boot in until they are binned but it's a strong possibility that that's where they are headed should this coalition of chaos collapse and a new GE is called in the Autumn. Also, the minority nature of their govt (the DUP seats don't take them THAT far over the top) means that this lot are incredibly vulnerable to backbench revolts on all sorts of issues. You'll probably find the more onerous ideas getting quietly shelved for now as both 'hard' and 'wet' tory backbenchers eye their much reduced majorities and get restive in the run up to 'Brexit GE take 2'....

In absolute terms, yeah, Labour lost but then again, the Tories lost way more overall and that's no bad thing.

There's a crucial difference between losing an election and losing your credibility . Corbyn is within a sniff of power with his credibility massively enhanced . Hes been completely vindicated and greatly empowered politically . The scum are barely clinging to power by their tips of their claws , with their credibility completely in the toilet and about to tear each other limb from limb . And it can only get worse now the focus falls on the DUP .

 

[Nylock]

There's a crucial difference between losing an election and losing your credibility . Corbyn is within a sniff of power with his credibility massively enhanced . Hes been completely vindicated and greatly empowered politically . The scum are barely clinging to power by their tips of their claws , with their credibility completely in the toilet and about to tear each other limb from limb . And it can only get worse now the focus falls on the DUP .

Exactly. In't it grand...

 

[Casually Red]

Exactly. In't it grand...

I'm grinning like a cat all day . I may well be grinning even more tomorrow. And so on .

 

[gentlegreen]

The irony in this election is just too great to bear. Everything has been directly reversed from the campaign - the Tories have been plunged into disarray while Labour have united, the Tories are leading a "coalition of chaos" which will make solving the Irish border issue incredibly difficult and may well cause a return to sectarian violence, the Tories are in hock to terrorism-linked extremists, and the Tories are now surely perceived as the incompetent chaotic party while Corbyn has been tranformed into a dignified elder statesmen and master strategist.

The irony of this is too much too bear. The Tories losing their image of "competence" may well prove fatal for them.

All thanks to Cameron.

I was wondering earlier about whether a UK party would ever offer a referendum on capital punishment in order to get elected ...

 

[SpookyFrank]

You can't throw a grenade into the tory/dup ranks without hitting a terrorist sympathiser

But it's worth doing nonetheless.

 

[Nine Bob Note]

Maybot writes the Queen's speech.

 

[Casually Red]

I'm curious to see if the papers get the knives out for May. One thing I heard about Murdoch is he likes his papers to pick a winner...picking a loser reflects badly.

Evening standard have a headline " Mays Irish Bailout " , which will piss her and the DUP off no end . Standards really going after her .

 

[Casually Red]

they can't, and the gossip mill is saying that they won't.

the PCP is livid with May for losing the election, and livid with her for tying them to the DUP without any consultation - the short version is that even the Cabinet has decided that May has no authority, and that the whip system simply doesn't apply for any DUP related shenannigans.

to elaborate on the Evening Standards headline that May has been hung out to dry, the Tory party has taken the view that its May that has entered into some form of deal with the DUP, not the Tory party, and that she will have to deal with Tory MP's as she will any other coalition partner - to be accommodated, to be bought, to be placated, which will put her in an impossible situation because they will demand the opposite of the DUP demands.

theres already talk that some may refuse to serve in her Government, while the others will take a more wait-and-see approach - if she shows signs of pandering to the DUP's less attractive social attitudes however they'll be off.

this is of course predicated on the idea that she'll survive as PM - the betting this morning was that she'd be forced out over the weekend, however malice is creaping up on anger and the cooler view is that they will force her to stay until the summer recess in abject humiliation, at which point they'll have a leadership election to which she won't be invited, and then dumped in preperation for an october election, but if she puts a foot wrong she'll be out on her arse long before that.

Wonder what the Tory faithful think about these shenanigans ? . Remember how the DUP treated the Tories back in maggies heyday ?

 

[editor]

Was listening to chuka today on the radio and he kept congratulating " labour " on their performance and refusing to even mention corbyn by name or concede their leader had anything to do with the result . Much less congratulate him . Despite the interviewer trying to trap him into it . No change there .

I can't wait for careerist Blairite fuckers like Chuka to get their comeuppance. As Corbyn grows in credibility and support, neo-Tory fuckwits like Umanna will find the sand shifting perilously beneath their feet.

 

[equationgirl]

How would you fancy being governed by the DUP for perpetuity ? Guaranteed . Just for starters . That this is a normal state of affairs .

I think it would be like going back in time over a hundred years, at best. It would be terrible.

I'M not so up on Irish politics so willing to learn. Thanks.

 

[Casually Red]

I can't wait for careerist Blairite fuckers like Chuka to get their comeuppance. As Corbyn grows in credibility and support, neo-Tory fuckwits like Umanna will find the sand shifting perilously beneath their feet.

What corbyn achieved was massive . The guys part of labour history now and seems to be growing into his role the longer he's in it . Once it starts to sink in with people the Benns and chukas probably cost labour victory then those guys are fucked politically speaking . they don't conceivably have any ammunition left and the sharks may well turn on them to curry political favour .

And this could conceivably work out even better for corbyn . Let's face it brexit was a very sticky wicket , even for the Tories when they had a big majority . Politically speaking he would have been lumbered with a shit sandwich he didn't want and would have had to take responsibility for it. He's off a massive hook . He's not lumbered with it now and capitalise politically on a greatly weakened Tory negotiating position and the fallout from that. With them tearing each other apart ..and the DUP in tow . Ye gods .

He's got some serious political heat going for him now and virtually all his opponents inside and out are in total disarray . All of them without any credibility ...and about to lose more...and himself massively vindicated and without the responsibility of negotiating brexit . Which just at the minute might have been beyond his ability .

And even the DUP could lose in the long run . They're going to make unionism even more unpopular among the British public than it already is . They were better off being ignored in many ways . Most people never heard of them . Now they're fucking things up in Britain and long term that's not good for them . Rather than strengthen any union they'll end up proving they..and ulster unionism itself...is utterly divorced from any concept of a British way of life .And deeply unwelcome on the British political scene . They could seriously do without the spotlight that'll be on them now .

 

[Casually Red]

I think it would be like going back in time over a hundred years, at best. It would be terrible.

I'M not so up on Irish politics so willing to learn. Thanks.

No probs. I'm too tired to go into this now but I'll spell it put in the near future .

 

[Nine Bob Note]

From the bookies:

Will Theresa May lead the Conservatives into the next General Election? No 1/5 Yes 11/4
Will Jeremy Corbyn lead Labour into the next General Election? Yes 2/9 No 11/4

 

[Nine Bob Note]

And when they say next general election, they favour in the next six months

 

[equationgirl]

Has there ever been been two general elections within 12 months or less?

 

[Casually Red]

Just pointing out we are now into the loyalist marching season in the north . Glorious 12th looming upon us . Top of the DUP wish list will almost certainly be the disbandment of the Parades commission, which prevent a number of loyalist parades from going through nationalist districts . If that happens there's likely to be serious trouble . As in SERIOUS . Forget about the shinners keeping a lid on it like years ago, not within their gift anymore .

This is a big issue for the DUP . I'd be very surprised if that wasn't on the top of their agenda . Although frankly I'd envisage British generals staging a coup if any government was so stupid to concede to it. But TM isn't very good at making decisions , so who knows . That'll be interesting for sure .

Also got to say I don't envy the job of British parents having to explain to their kids who the DUP are . Once British parents get over the shock and disbelief of who the fucking fuck the DUP are .

 

[Calamity1971]

I think it would be like going back in time over a hundred years, at best. It would be terrible.

I'M not so up on Irish politics so willing to learn. Thanks.

Me neither. So a double thanks.
Saying that, I believed I was fairly savvy on UK politics until I joined this forum. How wrong was I. So glad I stumbled upon it.

 

[equationgirl]

The last time there 2 general elections within 12 months was in 1974, when there were elections in February and October that year. It seems to have happened from time to time.

Reckon we're due for another one in a bit then...

 

[Rimbaud]

And even the DUP could lose in the long run . They're going to make unionism even more unpopular among the British public than it already is . They were better off being ignored in many ways . Most people never heard of them . Now they're fucking things up in Britain and long term that's not good for them . Rather than strengthen any union they'll end up proving they..and ulster unionism itself...is utterly divorced from any concept of a British way of life .And deeply unwelcome on the British political scene . They could seriously do without the spotlight that'll be on them now .

Yeah, I'll be interested to see how being faced with the realisation that the rest of the UK views them as anathema to contemporary mainstream British values will effect unionism. Combined with the return of a hard border, I wonder if some younger protestants will start to turn their backs on unionism.

 

[flypanam]

I think I'm going to regret this, but why? Why do you not want the good Friday agreement in place?

`It institutionalises and formalises the sectarian division which gave rise to the violence’
Is a pretty good summary of why there was opposition to GFA from the left

 

[chilango]

What has struck me - on a purely anecodatal basis - is how the Yoot have taken an interest in this GE. The kids are at a very mixed SE london Secondary & from what I hear, the teachers may have been tasked to discuss the GE during citizenship or whatever. Some of the teachers have said they are voting Conservative ( as fucking if!) to provoke a debate. I think this is a set up - but the result has been a) a *lively* disucussion of the GE in class and b) my kids getting up at 6AM to see the results( and finding dad lying asleep on the carpet in front of BBC news).

Even on snapchat and shit, they seem to be chewing through the various +/- of the campaign policies between themselves and genuinely taking an interest.They are constantly asking Q about the process and the policies.

I know this may be an outlier but it is not something I / my cohort was that bothered about at their age. Obviously mine are in a houshold where politics are part of the relationship.

anyone else seeing this ?

I was sat in my room/office at lunchtime on Friday watching the news on TV. A few minutes later the room was full with half a dozen 14 year olds glued to the coverage. One said to me that they'd never watched the News for so long before.

 

[chilango]

I would throw a note of caution into the mix though.

I know people who would normally vote Tory or at a push Lib Dem, who voted Labour in this election as a "one off" protest. If (and it's a massive if) the Tories replace May with someone a little more humane/competent they might return should there be another election that Corbyn could win.

Whether these kinds of votes outweigh the "increased turn out" votes remains to be seen, but I wouldn't get too triumphalist about the outcome of a second election just yet.

The underdog factor may also have been strong. that is gone now.

 

[kebabking]

the vibe i'm getting from tory voters, constituancy party officers and MP's/former MP's/defeated PPC's is firstly that no one, not one of them, is happy about having any kind of arrangement with the DUP. heads shaking in disbelief is not uncommon...

however, they understand that politics is the corporeal form of the sub-optimal, and that they will live with it as long as its effectively a confidence and supply arrangement where the Tories get DUP votes at the Queens Speech, the Finance bill and any motion of no confidence, and in return the DUP get not having to live under a Corbyn-lead Westminster government.

but, and its a big, heavy but, that there would be enormous hostility - resignations, abstentions/votes against, and an even quicker leadership challenge - within the party to any kind of deal that gave the DUP influence over national policy (possibly NI focused Brexit issues aside..), or in the way that the UK government managed the Stormont or wider NI situation.

i'd also say that confidence in Mays ability to walk that tightrope is about zero, her election (and post election) performance means she has no credibility within the party and the mood seems to be that its like watching a train wreck in slow motion. they know she's going to make a concession on something thats not for sale in order to try to stay in power, its merely a matter of when and what.

i've heard the term 'national government' more than a few times in the last 24 hours: theres deep concern over the upcoming brexit negotiations, as well as how Mays flirtation with the DUP will effect NI - the unannimous view is that a minorty government (of any flavour) trying to deal with such issues is unlikely to be able to cope.

 

[Dogsauce]

All thanks to Cameron.

I was wondering earlier about whether a UK party would ever offer a referendum on capital punishment in order to get elected ...

David Davis (tipped as potential leader) is fairly strong on protecting civil liberties and once resigned his seat in protest, so imagine he at least might oppose this (plus may also be a spanner in the works for any dodgy anti-terrorism stuff May might push forward).

 

[Who PhD]

True but there's plenty for Labour Corbynite supporters to take away from this to help keep their momentum up (pardon the pun)...

GE's Since 1945 compared to tonight:
GE Turnout: 68.7% (16th) [1st Atlee '50: 83.9%]
Total votes cast for Labour: 12,874,985 (5th) [1st Atlee '51: 13,948,385]
Vote increase since previous election: 3,527,681 (2nd) [1st Atlee '45: 3,982,758] *
Vote Share since previous election: 40% (11th) [1st Atlee '51: 48.8%]
Vote share increase since previous election: 9.6% (2nd) [1st Atlee '45: 9.7] **
Seats Won: 262 (15th) [1st Blair '97: 418]
Increase since previous election: 30 (6th) [1st Atlee '45: 239]

* From 2001-2010, Labour haemorrhaged 4,911,640 votes. Milliband ameliorated this slightly by adding 740,777 in 2015 bringing the losses from '97 down to 4,170,863. Last night the Labour vote rebounded to within 643,182 votes of the 1997 popular vote figure. Corbyn et al's manifesto won over 3.5 million voters back to Labour: their best increase in popular vote since Attlee in 1945.

** Beat Blair's '97 increase by almost a percentage point (8.8 / 9.6) and again, only bettered by attlee in 1945. Blair also lost almost all of that increase in vote share by the time the 2005 election had been won.

Yes, the tories will continue to try and lay the boot in until they are binned but it's a strong possibility that that's where they are headed should this coalition of chaos collapse and a new GE is called in the Autumn. Also, the minority nature of their govt (the DUP seats don't take them THAT far over the top) means that this lot are incredibly vulnerable to backbench revolts on all sorts of issues. You'll probably find the more onerous ideas getting quietly shelved for now as both 'hard' and 'wet' tory backbenchers eye their much reduced majorities and get restive in the run up to 'Brexit GE take 2'....

In absolute terms, yeah, Labour lost but then again, the Tories lost way more overall and that's no bad thing.

All of that is great, of course it is.

However let's say there's another election in the autumn or a year from now. Can we be sure that corbyn's 'momentum' will continue? What about after a coupole of years, say if Brexit goes tits up? People are fickle and, I fear, that after a period of no real results they will change to someone else. It seems Labour's gains were on the basis of pretty slim margins. These could be easily overturned by a Tory campaign that, as i'm sure it will be because even the bastards aren't this fucking stupid, will not make the same mistakes as last time.

So my concern is that, if the tories get their shit together enough to even just cost their manifesto, they will win. Even now they are still the dominant party in seat numbers. THat's what counts.

Otherwise yes it's great and hopefully this signifies the real start of the collapse of the aristocunts and their media empire, but I fear this is a blip.

 

[newbie]

Was listening to chuka today on the radio and he kept congratulating " labour " on their performance and refusing to even mention corbyn by name or concede their leader had anything to do with the result . Much less congratulate him . Despite the interviewer trying to trap him into it . No change there .

He did actually 'pay tribute' to Corbyn during his victory speech but his takehome was that "he would consider accepting a role in a Corbyn-led shadow cabinet." because that's by far his most important concern. Himself.