Absolutely the only single GE 2017 results thread.

[Kaka Tim]

All of that is great, of course it is.

However let's say there's another election in the autumn or a year from now. Can we be sure that corbyn's 'momentum' will continue? What about after a coupole of years, say if Brexit goes tits up? People are fickle and, I fear, that after a period of no real results they will change to someone else. It seems Labour's gains were on the basis of pretty slim margins. These could be easily overturned by a Tory campaign that, as i'm sure it will be because even the bastards aren't this fucking stupid, will not make the same mistakes as last time.

So my concern is that, if the tories get their shit together enough to even just cost their manifesto, they will win. Even now they are still the dominant party in seat numbers. THat's what counts.

Otherwise yes it's great and hopefully this signifies the real start of the collapse of the aristocunts and their media empire, but I fear this is a blip.

well the tories have kind of shat the bed in terms of their reputation for competance and stablity - and that lethal with voters. Corbyn - with a newly united party - has grown in stature and labour may well look a far more credible government than the tories in the eyes of many voters.
most voters pay little attention to the details of policies and whose in the cabinet and shadow cabinet - they vote on general impressions - and the tories are now the weak, unstable, coalition of chaos who cant be trusted.

Another election any time soon could very well see labour as the largest party.

 

[bimble]

"coalition of crackpots" (the mirror front page this morning)

 

[weltweit]

Amber Rudd, 340 votes .. she must have been bricking it

 

[Nylock]

All of that is great, of course it is.

However let's say there's another election in the autumn or a year from now. Can we be sure that corbyn's 'momentum' will continue? What about after a coupole of years, say if Brexit goes tits up? People are fickle and, I fear, that after a period of no real results they will change to someone else. It seems Labour's gains were on the basis of pretty slim margins. These could be easily overturned by a Tory campaign that, as i'm sure it will be because even the bastards aren't this fucking stupid, will not make the same mistakes as last time.

So my concern is that, if the tories get their shit together enough to even just cost their manifesto, they will win. Even now they are still the dominant party in seat numbers. THat's what counts.

Otherwise yes it's great and hopefully this signifies the real start of the collapse of the aristocunts and their media empire, but I fear this is a blip.

Can you be sure the Tories won't get their arses handed to them at the next one?

Most of the gains were marginal but after some hefty swings to labour (Kensington & Chelsea only has a labour majority of 30 but that's a reversal of the incumbent tory's majority of nearly 8,000 to them) and in labour seats there were some vast increases in majority. If labour get the vote out again next time or possibly get more non & youth votes out as well as winning back more of the older (65+) electorate then it is likely to look very bad for the tories..

Theresa may's judgement has been shown to be fatally compromised but lest we forget that she called this election with the backing of the conservative party:

* A conservative party that, mere weeks ago, were gleefully talking up the prospect of the UK left being obliterated in a landslide it would take a generation to recover from.
* A conservative party who were so cocksure of their success at the hands of an electorate held hostage to the ever looming Brexit negotiations that they launched a manifesto which explicitly 'punched down' at not just their traditional targets but also their core support. There are some things you can't un-say and the 'dementia tax' is going to return to bite them on the arse. Bigly.
* A conservative party who are so desperate to cling onto power that they are contemplating going into bed with the DUP and whose leader has already gone to the queen before the negotiations are concluded. They will be hostage not only to their loonspud coalition partners but also themselves.
* A conservative party that has catastrophically misjudged the national mood and shown itself for all to see as the arrogant omnishambles they truly are.
* A conservative party who are blaming the electorate for their losses!

There's lots of additional nasty stuff the electorate can be reminded of when the next GE rolls around. Unless the tories themselves massively swing to the left in order to try and win back lost votes they are likely to lose. The tories have shown that their worst electoral enemies are themselves. They've fucked it.

 

[teqniq]

Anyone seen this before?

What connects Brexit, the DUP, dark money and a Saudi prince?

 

[The39thStep]

Posted this on another thread but this is the issue that Labour face.

One consequence of this divergent pattern between Remain and Leave areas is that there has been a marked change in the social geography of the Conservative vote.

Traditionally, the party holds most appeal for middle class voters.

But Leave voters were disproportionately working class.

Consequently, at this election the Conservative vote increased least in middle class seats, rising only two points in the constituencies with the highest proportion of middle class voters.

In contrast, the party's vote rose by no fewer than nine points in seats with the highest proportion of working class voters.

 

[UnderOpenSky]

BoJo for prime minister next? Regardless of what many think of him, many people do actually like him. At least more than May.

 

[Treacle Toes]

Amber Rudd, 340 votes .. she must have been bricking it

She was. She looked like she was going to vomit.

 

[Treacle Toes]

BoJo for prime minister next? Regardless of what many think of him, many people do actually like him. At least more than May.

Oh god...the spoof continues, Trump and Bojo explore what their special relationship actually means in a new feature length documentary.

 

[The39thStep]

 

[Bernie Gunther]

Anyone seen this before?

What connects Brexit, the DUP, dark money and a Saudi prince?

Yep, the story has been around, but mostly ignored, for a bit.

So, who are the DUP?

See also:

How dark money is drowning British democracy

The dark money driving the Scottish Tory surge

 

[xenon]

I hope they choose Johnson then as the Prime Minister. There's loads of dirt on him. And people don't like him as much as the media say. Even the people that do like him just for the posh bumbling idiot thing. Unfortunately I don't think the Conservatives will be quite so stupid and choose him.

 

[Pickman's model]

All of that is great, of course it is.

However let's say there's another election in the autumn or a year from now. Can we be sure that corbyn's 'momentum' will continue? What about after a coupole of years, say if Brexit goes tits up? People are fickle and, I fear, that after a period of no real results they will change to someone else. It seems Labour's gains were on the basis of pretty slim margins. These could be easily overturned by a Tory campaign that, as i'm sure it will be because even the bastards aren't this fucking stupid, will not make the same mistakes as last time.

So my concern is that, if the tories get their shit together enough to even just cost their manifesto, they will win. Even now they are still the dominant party in seat numbers. THat's what counts.

Otherwise yes it's great and hopefully this signifies the real start of the collapse of the aristocunts and their media empire, but I fear this is a blip.

If you don't want it to be just a blip get off your arse and do something

 

[YouSir]

I hope they choose Johnson then as the Prime Minister. There's loads of dirt on him. And people don't like him as much as the media say. Even the people that do like him just for the posh bumbling idiot thing. Unfortunately I don't think the Conservatives will be quite so stupid and choose him.

I reckon you'll be pleasantly surprised. I even think his many, many enemies might let him in just to watch him crash and burn whatever the potential damage.

 

[Pickman's model]

"coalition of crackpots" (the mirror front page this morning)

Treelover seems to have hacked your a/c

 

[ska invita]

I'm curious to see if the papers get the knives out for May. One thing I heard about Murdoch is he likes his papers to pick a winner...picking a loser reflects badly.

and sure enough....
'Tories turn on Theresa': papers across the spectrum on May's future
though the question is will they keep up the stabbing on a day in day out.

 

[DaveCinzano]

Oh god...the spoof continues, Trump and Bojo explore what their special relationship actually means in a new feature length documentary.

DO NOT

++REPEAT++

DO NOT SEARCH FOR SLASHFIC ON THIS

 

[ska invita]

BoJo for prime minister next? Regardless of what many think of him, many people do actually like him. At least more than May.

and many don't.
He is favourite with the bookies, but SURELY it is impossible for brexit to be lead by BJ.

when I looked at odds checker I saw no mention of David Davies, who seems to me to be their best bet. I don't think he's that liked across the party. I think they're short of a good candidate for the position, and the position itself is a fair bit cursed.

Gove has the psycho-power hunger for it perhaps?

 

[8den]

I Did not know that.

I think I'm going to regret this, but why? Why do you not want the good Friday agreement in place?

Because once the good friday agreement is in place extremist loyalists feared that it would lead to a united Ireland, ruled by the EU (which as we know is controlled by the Vatican, who we have established are the Anti Christ) and bring about the fall of civilisation.

How can you not know this?


In fairness I can't blame British people for not knowing about the DUP. UKIP are essentially that drunk racist guy in the corner of the bar. The DUP is the guy with facial tattoos, shirtless in January, about to pick a fight with three bouncers.

 

[Voley]

I would throw a note of caution into the mix though.

I know people who would normally vote Tory or at a push Lib Dem, who voted Labour in this election as a "one off" protest. If (and it's a massive if) the Tories replace May with someone a little more humane/competent they might return should there be another election that Corbyn could win.

Whether these kinds of votes outweigh the "increased turn out" votes remains to be seen, but I wouldn't get too triumphalist about the outcome of a second election just yet.

The underdog factor may also have been strong. that is gone now.

I've been wondering about this, too. There was a perception pre-election that the collapsed UKIP vote would all go to the Tories but Labour mopped up a reasonable share of it. I'm not sure how many of these voters could be relied on to vote Labour next time. I'd like to see some analysis of protest voting in this election. I get an impression that it might have been pretty widespread.

 

[chilango]

I've been wondering about this, too. There was a perception pre-election that the collapsed UKIP vote would all go to the Tories but Labour mopped up a reasonable share of it. I'm not sure how many of these viters could be relied on to vote Labour next time. I'd like to see some analysis of protest voting in this election. I get an impression that it might have been pretty widespread.

Yeah.

It was an unusual election in many ways.

Another one soon would also be unusual, perhaps in very different ways.

Interesting times for sure.

 

[Badgers]

 

[rekil]

I think I'm going to regret this, but why? Why do you not want the good Friday agreement in place?

It's a loon lifestylist thing, a pose, just something he comes out with when he's hanging around with his euro fascist brethren on holiday and trying desperately to impress them by pretending to be the IRA, in between shouting about puffs.

 

[Who PhD]

Can you be sure the Tories won't get their arses handed to them at the next one?

Most of the gains were marginal but after some hefty swings to labour (Kensington & Chelsea only has a labour majority of 30 but that's a reversal of the incumbent tory's majority of nearly 8,000 to them) and in labour seats there were some vast increases in majority. If labour get the vote out again next time or possibly get more non & youth votes out as well as winning back more of the older (65+) electorate then it is likely to look very bad for the tories..

Theresa may's judgement has been shown to be fatally compromised but lest we forget that she called this election with the backing of the conservative party:

* A conservative party that, mere weeks ago, were gleefully talking up the prospect of the UK left being obliterated in a landslide it would take a generation to recover from.
* A conservative party who were so cocksure of their success at the hands of an electorate held hostage to the ever looming Brexit negotiations that they launched a manifesto which explicitly 'punched down' at not just their traditional targets but also their core support. There are some things you can't un-say and the 'dementia tax' is going to return to bite them on the arse. Bigly.
* A conservative party who are so desperate to cling onto power that they are contemplating going into bed with the DUP and whose leader has already gone to the queen before the negotiations are concluded. They will be hostage not only to their loonspud coalition partners but also themselves.
* A conservative party that has catastrophically misjudged the national mood and shown itself for all to see as the arrogant omnishambles they truly are.
* A conservative party who are blaming the electorate for their losses!

There's lots of additional nasty stuff the electorate can be reminded of when the next GE rolls around. Unless the tories themselves massively swing to the left in order to try and win back lost votes they are likely to lose. The tories have shown that their worst electoral enemies are themselves. They've fucked it.

Of course not. But I'm not concerned with the Tories losing. I'm concerned with them winning!

Despite all this they are still the strongest party, even if, by dint of parliament's arcane mechanisms, they have no majority. That's all this is about. Had they got a majority we'd be, at best, where we were before - and that was bad enough. Even with their previously slim majority they still managed to harass the poor, enforce benefit sanctions and drive nurses into poverty (etc).

All they need is to shore up their vote in a few places, such as those they lost by a small margin, and they're back in power.

There is much to celebrate here, but to call this a victory i think is just naive. Sorry.

 

[Who PhD]

well the tories have kind of shat the bed in terms of their reputation for competance and stablity - and that lethal with voters. Corbyn - with a newly united party - has grown in stature and labour may well look a far more credible government than the tories in the eyes of many voters.
most voters pay little attention to the details of policies and whose in the cabinet and shadow cabinet - they vote on general impressions - and the tories are now the weak, unstable, coalition of chaos who cant be trusted.

Another election any time soon could very well see labour as the largest party.

Of course, but i just don't see another election happening any time soon

 

[mrs quoad]

ELECTION WHAT ELECTION :actualroflmao:

 

[rutabowa]

Aww at the end of work yesterday someone brought out a bottle of cava to celebrate the surprisingly good performance of left wing labour and drink to the end of tabloid influence on politics... everyone was so relieved. Check out my real life bubble.

 

[Casually Red]

"coalition of crackpots" (the mirror front page this morning)

" terror linked DUP " as well .

From a few days ago

Arlene Foster criticised after meeting UDA leader days after loyalist murder

And here's the leader of a terrorist organisation, currently killing people....among other things ..congratulating Theresa Mays " friend and allies " , urging full support for them .

Loyalist leader Jackie McDonald declares support for Arlene Foster's leadership

The terrorist wish list and the DUP leaderships wish list will be very closely entwined . Terrorists will have influence at no 10 under this arrangement . As will creationists .

 

[chilango]

I particularly like the fact that "they" still haven't got a clue what happened or why

They're completely disoriented.

That's good.

 

[Casually Red]

And here we go . Stability eh ?