Absolutely the only single GE 2017 results thread.

[rekil]

Take it to PMs.

No thankyou.

 

[YouSir]

No thankyou.

Fair enough, feel free to continue derailing and boring the tits off of people then.

 

[emanymton]

I don't think it's just the shitness of the Tory campaign that has got former Tory voters and swathes of ostensibly m/c people in The South of England suddenly getting enthusiastic about the Labour manifesto, nationalisation etc.

Nor is it, I hope, just shit presentation that has empowered the electorate to start using ballots to deliver shock after shock result across the West.

But I do hope the Tories do get consumed (as has Labour before them) in thinking it's all about form and nothing to do with content.

There will be an attempt to make this all about May and her campaign and how bad it was. And it is true, it was bad and that does have an impact. But there is far more going on.

This election has seen both an increasd turnout and an increased vote share for the two main parties. This is becasue for the first time in decades voters had a choice between 2 competing visions. This might be the first election in a long time that actually really mattered.

 

[rekil]

Fair enough, feel free to continue derailing and boring the tits off of people then.

You mean allow far right crybaby loons to fuck this place up.

(Genuinely sorry to everyone else for unedifying derail btw, but that fash cunt should have been gone aaaages ago.)

 

[danny la rouge]

There will be an attempt to make this all about May and her campaign and how bad it was. And it is true, it was bad and that does have an impact. But there is far more going on.

Yes, the media seems to be settling on that narrative: incompetent May and her hubris. Which is part of it but not all of it, as you say.

So if Labour now moves "back to the centre" to be "more inclusive" it'll be missing the point. People liked having a choice. People are fed up with austerity A or austerity B, and don't believe that "there's no magic money tree" is a true picture. They can see very well that money trees are available to the people who least need them.

Even my normally Tory voting FIL said he'd come to like Corbyn, ffs. Not something I'd have predicted.

 

[emanymton]

Yes, the media seems to be settling on that narrative: incompetent May and her hubris. Which is part of it but not all of it, as you say.

So if Labour now moves "back to the centre" to be "more inclusive" it'll be missing the point. People liked having a choice. People are fed up with austerity A or austerity B, and don't believe that "there's no magic money tree" is a true picture. They can see very well that money trees are available to the people who least need them.

Even my normally Tory voting FIL said he'd come to like Corbyn, ffs. Not something I'd have predicted.

The right of the Labour party is now going to have to change tactics. Arguing that Corbyn is a disaster obviously won't work any more (not that it ever did). Which means they will probably try and work with him. They will then try to shift Labour to the right a little (but not to the extent they would like) in order to be 'more electable'. I think this more sutible approach might actually be more effective for them.

But then I think one of the problems the Tories had was a lack of any positive vision. Even Trump understood that you needes to give voters a reason to vote for you instead of just against someone else. This is in fact why he won and Clinton lost. I think they will struggle to get a majority unless they can offer a positive vision to counter Labours.

 

[editor]

You fucking twat
Labour should have won against May's 'open goal', says MP

 

[editor]

Is this true: Corbyn was only 2,500 votes away from leading a progressive coalition as PM?

 

[Plumdaff]

On conservative home there's a lot of talk ofCorbyn's unaffordable Marxist giveways bribing the electorate, usually followed up by a demand that the Tories need some of their own (presumbly when they do it because it's for the rich it'll be 'enabling the wealth creators' or somesuch).

 

[Plumdaff]

You fucking twat
Labour should have won against May's 'open goal', says MP

Chris Leslie really needs to be first on the list.

 

[petee]

You fucking twat
Labour should have won against May's 'open goal', says MP

saw that, wondered if this is the form the anti corbyn narrative will now assume.

 

[YouSir]

Is this true: Corbyn was only 2,500 votes away from leading a progressive coalition as PM?

Only 2,000 I'm told.

 

[equationgirl]

Because once the good friday agreement is in place extremist loyalists feared that it would lead to a united Ireland, ruled by the EU (which as we know is controlled by the Vatican, who we have established are the Anti Christ) and bring about the fall of civilisation.

How can you not know this?


In fairness I can't blame British people for not knowing about the DUP. UKIP are essentially that drunk racist guy in the corner of the bar. The DUP is the guy with facial tattoos, shirtless in January, about to pick a fight with three bouncers.

Because in the time I was growing up it just wasn't reported in the media. Even now, living in a part of the UK with a large sectarian base the DUP isn't really talked about.

 

[equationgirl]

Theres alot of anger in NI/Ireland about how essentially the DUP have been ignored by Mainstream British politics and media.

I know it's been mentioned before but Arlene Foster is heavily implicated in the cash for ash heating scandal.
Q&A: What is the Northern Ireland ‘cash for ash’ scheme?

I know it sounds silly but it's already cost the taxpayer around 500m

Then there's "Project Eagle"

Give me a Crash Course in... Project Eagle


The Cash for Ash scandal was so massive, it forced a SF walk out of Stormont Assembly. The DUP won't make Foster quit, so theres a complete impasse in the NI assembly. Foster going into coalition with the Tories makes her position impossibly strong, therefore the whole Peace Process is stalled.

Not silly at all, that is a massive fuck up. Never mind the project eagle stuff as well, or the peace process derailment.

Foster sounds reckless and toxic. Definitely not someone you want in charge of anything.

Thanks for the information, much appreciated.

 

[Casually Red]

You fucking twat
Labour should have won against May's 'open goal', says MP

I can see that being the Blairite battle cry now . " A decent leader would have stuffed May ..Corbyn must go "
Let's face it they don't have any other cards to play at this stage .

 

[The39thStep]

where are you getting your numbers from?

Sorry think I quoted source on the other thread ; BBC

 

[The39thStep]

I've been wondering about this, too. There was a perception pre-election that the collapsed UKIP vote would all go to the Tories but Labour mopped up a reasonable share of it. I'm not sure how many of these voters could be relied on to vote Labour next time. I'd like to see some analysis of protest voting in this election. I get an impression that it might have been pretty widespread.

I think Goodwin has done some work on the UKIP vote and where it went . Basically leave areas majority to Tories remain areas more like 60:40 ?

 

[pennimania]

I've just been browsing 'Conservative Home' - thanks bimble !

It really does seem that they're right royally pissed off and that even in purely practical terms, (choosing candidates, organising local campaigning etc) it was a nightmare.

Apparently there was very little consultation, even right at the top. May and her nasty henchpersons thought they could do it all themselves and ride roughshod over everyone else.

Never mind the parliamentary party, the Tory grassroots are seething with disgruntlement. I'm taking a lot of satisfaction from that

edited for typos

 

[The39thStep]

I can see that being the Blairite battle cry now . " A decent leader would have stuffed May ..Corbyn must go "
Let's face it they don't have any other cards to play at this stage .

I'm still of the opinion that a decent Tory leader and campaign would have won a majority

 

[Libertad]

Chris Leslie really needs to be first on the list.

Currently at 137, he will be attended to by mid-afternoon.

 

[DotCommunist]

Owen Jones spanking it here tbf. Tory apologist on the ropes.

 

[Casually Red]

I'm still of the opinion that a decent Tory leader and campaign would have won a majority

You could be right I suppose . But the surge of support Corbyn got was so enthusiastic it stemmed from a lot more than May being crap . The youth turn out everyone's talking about , massive crowds ..that wasn't down to a lacklustre May performance . There was another dynamic at work completely divorced from that . I'd accept a more competent Tory leader would have performed better ...stands to reason . But no matter who the Tories stuck up there they'd still be flogging austerity , fuckthe poor, help the rich and more privatisation . Corbyn got where he got by polarising the choices available . Making a clear choice between one and the other . Despite being badly handicapped by party treachery .

 

[Wilf]

Is this true: Corbyn was only 2,500 votes away from leading a progressive coalition as PM?

I'm sure the figure, or something like it is true - and it does say something about how things turned out. But getting 40% and within 2 points of the Tories is the astonishing one for me, after the insanity inside the Labour Party the last 18 months.

But back on the 2,500 votes thing, I suspect it's a bit like humans sharing 96% of their dna with chimps. You then find we share 76% with courgettes. What I mean is that anything but a landslide is usually determined by something in no more than a figure of 2-5,000 votes (at a pure guess). However, after confidently predicting Labour would lose by 10% and that the UK would stay in the EU (think I made that prediction at 2 a.m. in the middle of the counting ) I'm going to give up making definitive statements about British politics.

 

[Supine]

2500 votes thing may be true, but Labour being 64 seats away from making a majority government puts it in perspective.

 

[Casually Red]

The anti DUP petition has now reached half a million . I don't think it's even up 24 hours . That's way more than the number of votes they got, just under 300,000. The British people don't appear to like them very much .

Eta

Since I wrote that A couple of hours ago it's now gone up to 587,000 or so .

 

[maomao]

The anti DUP petition has now reached half a million . I don't think it's even up 24 hours . That's way more than the number of votes they got, just under 300,000. The British people don't appear to like them very much .

300, 000 is a sixth of the total population of NI. 500,000 is less than 1% of the population of the UK.

 

[rekil]

Cleggmania Part Deux - This Time He's Objectively Pro-Assad

 

[Casually Red]

300, 000 is a sixth of the total population of NI. 500,000 is less than 1% of the population of the UK.

And if one includes Ireland as a whole they're still a minority there too by a long shot . You..we..are getting
a proposed 4 years of Ulster unionist fanatics influencing your governance . Over here we get them actually in government and almost a century of them having a veto over Irish people acting as a single democratic unit . A permanent veto over national democracy, for perpetuity . Imagine someone giving those cunts a permanent veto over how you govern yourself ...Christ on a brontosaur.

Any wonder there's trouble always lurking round the corner ?

This won't end well . None of it .

 

[emanymton]

I'm sure the figure, or something like it is true - and it does say something about how things turned out. But getting 40% and within 2 points of the Tories is the astonishing one for me, after the insanity inside the Labour Party the last 18 months.

But back on the 2,500 votes thing, I suspect it's a bit like humans sharing 96% of their dna with chimps. You then find we share 76% with courgettes. What I mean is that anything but a landslide is usually determined by something in no more than a figure of 2-5,000 votes (at a pure guess). However, after confidently predicting Labour would lose by 10% and that the UK would stay in the EU (think I made that prediction at 2 a.m. in the middle of the counting ) I'm going to give up making definitive statements about British politics.

Also a think the Tories were less than 400 votes away from an overall majority.

 

[mojo pixy]

Democratic Unionists. German Democratic Republic. DPRK. Using the word democratic in your actual name is a clear signpost that all is not well with your politics.