Absolutely the only single GE 2017 results thread.
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Raheem
Well-Known Member
It might end soon, which would probably count.
stethoscope
Well-Known Member
Chris Leslie is also married to Nicola Murphy (former adviser to Brown) and who founded 'Labour Tomorrow' (group opposed to Corbyn).
Puddy_Tat
naturally fluffy
not one of those 'divisive' groups like momentum, then?
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
Yes pretty much.
Conservative change strongly (positively) related to % working class in an area
Casually Red
tomorrow belongs to me
his election leaflet wasn't exactly motivating - height of ambition being "having sensible MPs to oppose" the tories
(from here)
Anyone for Chris " interesting " Leslie ?
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
NoXion
Craicy the Squirrel
What am I looking at?
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
Changing correlation between 'working class' in an area and Labour vote share.
The increased labour vote is young, educated and located in cities.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Sadly, the wanker has seen his majority enhanced, and you can bet that the arrogant bugger will attribute it to his personal charisma, rather than a Corbyn effect.
Casually Red
tomorrow belongs to me
Some cracking u turns in this one, as well as sullen griping and silence . Aaaargh has certainly changed her tune .
Will Labour ‘moderates’ now stop trying to overthrow Corbyn?
Will Labour ‘moderates’ now stop trying to overthrow Corbyn?
Nine Bob Note
Self-Isolating before it was fashionable
Yes, I have a great deal of confidence in Ashcroft polls right now 
On a side note, putting your title in the name of your company? Dafuq?
On a side note, putting your title in the name of your company? Dafuq?
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Beat me to it. Not convinced that social media is going to shift that, it's going to have to be activity in communities and the problem is that in many the Council is Labour. I'm still convinced that the working class need an independent voice.
Nine Bob Note
Self-Isolating before it was fashionable
his election leaflet wasn't exactly motivating - height of ambition being "having sensible MPs to oppose" the tories
(from here)
fixed
CHRIS LESLIE: STANDING UP FOR NOTHING IN PARTICULAR
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
It's simply the next brief campaign after Trump
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Not denying it was s brilliant campaign that proved the critics wrong but the Tory campaign was a disaster .
Ax^
Silly Rabbit
would be more fun if Boris was not the next up for selection...
Boris and Trump we would be totally fucked
Corax
Luke 5:16
I had a thought regarding places like Kensington shifting leftwards, and whether it relates to the changing face of capital. It may well be complete bollocks. I usually read others' thoughts on this and avoid writing my own, as relative to many many posters on here, I don't have a fucking clue what I'm talking about. But this one's a fairly simple idea and possibly interesting, so I thought I'd chuck it out there for you all to mercilessly ridicule.
Capital used to be reliant on having a load of dependent peasants to toil away on your land, in your mill, your factory, down your mine, at your checkout, in your cubicles, etc. It was in the interests of capital to prevent workers from getting too uppity as they'd then demand stuff like working standards and wages, which would affect the profit line. It doesn't matter if they get scurvy and die, as they're easily replaceable.
As technology has advanced, we see new businesses that rely on clever people like coders to survive. Innovation is recognised as an essential survival tool. Bright young bastards setting up their own enterprises is seen as a good thing, because then you can leverage your capital to buy them off and steal their good ideas. You don't want so many of your workers dying of scurvy any more.
Thus we see the owners of massive global brands behaving in new ways, and endorsing parties further to the left than people in that kind of position would have previously. Still Adam-Smith's-Magic-Hand free market capitalist parties of course, but just a bit less, well, traditionally Tory than was seen before.
These attitudes are taken up by their underlings, who dream of one day being as rich as these quasi-messianic corporate figures. They no longer wish to see themselves as the besuited chap driving a bentley and taking dinner at his club, they want to see themselves as the guy in a black turtle-neck taking an uber to a funky pop-up restaurant in newly gentrified Brixton. They don't want to identify with the stuffy old conservatives, but with whatever sorta-left-but-not-too-much alternative that's out there.
Hence, new tech causes the fall of Kensington to a new Soviet dawn. Proletariat of the world, unite!
Please now savage the fuck out of my grossly over-simplified thoughts.
Capital used to be reliant on having a load of dependent peasants to toil away on your land, in your mill, your factory, down your mine, at your checkout, in your cubicles, etc. It was in the interests of capital to prevent workers from getting too uppity as they'd then demand stuff like working standards and wages, which would affect the profit line. It doesn't matter if they get scurvy and die, as they're easily replaceable.
As technology has advanced, we see new businesses that rely on clever people like coders to survive. Innovation is recognised as an essential survival tool. Bright young bastards setting up their own enterprises is seen as a good thing, because then you can leverage your capital to buy them off and steal their good ideas. You don't want so many of your workers dying of scurvy any more.
Thus we see the owners of massive global brands behaving in new ways, and endorsing parties further to the left than people in that kind of position would have previously. Still Adam-Smith's-Magic-Hand free market capitalist parties of course, but just a bit less, well, traditionally Tory than was seen before.
These attitudes are taken up by their underlings, who dream of one day being as rich as these quasi-messianic corporate figures. They no longer wish to see themselves as the besuited chap driving a bentley and taking dinner at his club, they want to see themselves as the guy in a black turtle-neck taking an uber to a funky pop-up restaurant in newly gentrified Brixton. They don't want to identify with the stuffy old conservatives, but with whatever sorta-left-but-not-too-much alternative that's out there.
Hence, new tech causes the fall of Kensington to a new Soviet dawn. Proletariat of the world, unite!
Please now savage the fuck out of my grossly over-simplified thoughts.
Corax
Luke 5:16
NOT MAKING WAVES SINCE 2010
Corax
Luke 5:16
That was written when they were expecting solid Tory rule.
This one was written when they thought a hung parliament might be a goer, so more of a shopping list of demands in exchange for support.
Publications - The Northern Ireland Plan | Democratic Unionist Party
Nine Bob Note
Self-Isolating before it was fashionable
scifisam
feck! arse! girls! drink!
I had a thought regarding places like Kensington shifting leftwards, and whether it relates to the changing face of capital. It may well be complete bollocks. I usually read others' thoughts on this and avoid writing my own, as relative to many many posters on here, I don't have a fucking clue what I'm talking about. But this one's a fairly simple idea and possibly interesting, so I thought I'd chuck it out there for you all to mercilessly ridicule.
Capital used to be reliant on having a load of dependent peasants to toil away on your land, in your mill, your factory, down your mine, at your checkout, in your cubicles, etc. It was in the interests of capital to prevent workers from getting too uppity as they'd then demand stuff like working standards and wages, which would affect the profit line. It doesn't matter if they get scurvy and die, as they're easily replaceable.
As technology has advanced, we see new businesses that rely on clever people like coders to survive. Innovation is recognised as an essential survival tool. Bright young bastards setting up their own enterprises is seen as a good thing, because then you can leverage your capital to buy them off and steal their good ideas. You don't want so many of your workers dying of scurvy any more.
Thus we see the owners of massive global brands behaving in new ways, and endorsing parties further to the left than people in that kind of position would have previously. Still Adam-Smith's-Magic-Hand free market capitalist parties of course, but just a bit less, well, traditionally Tory than was seen before.
These attitudes are taken up by their underlings, who dream of one day being as rich as these quasi-messianic corporate figures. They no longer wish to see themselves as the besuited chap driving a bentley and taking dinner at his club, they want to see themselves as the guy in a black turtle-neck taking an uber to a funky pop-up restaurant in newly gentrified Brixton. They don't want to identify with the stuffy old conservatives, but with whatever sorta-left-but-not-too-much alternative that's out there.
Hence, new tech causes the fall of Kensington to a new Soviet dawn. Proletariat of the world, unite!
Please now savage the fuck out of my grossly over-simplified thoughts.
I think there is something in that, but the majority of the reason is that K&C is a mix of rich people with no right to vote because they're either a foreign citizen or a non-dom who can't vote in a GE alongside poor people in social housing (there's a lot in the area) who are almost all British or Commonwealth citizens who can vote. Plus half of Kensington is hotels and embassies. So it's a very rich area but not so much when you get down to the voting demographic.
davesgcr
Reading books
Musing on this - a chunk of Kensington is now owned by over rich Russians / Chinese / Arabs - who (thank God) have no voting rights. They do not give a flying f==ck about simple things like UK servives, street cleaning and social issues. Just an investment / holiday base.
There are probably a struggling and hard pressed core of real people left - those who get up at 4am to run buses , clean streets , maybe drive a tube train etc etc....hanging onto social housing etc. These good folk are the ones who turned out and voted Labour. F===ing good on them I say.
There are probably a struggling and hard pressed core of real people left - those who get up at 4am to run buses , clean streets , maybe drive a tube train etc etc....hanging onto social housing etc. These good folk are the ones who turned out and voted Labour. F===ing good on them I say.
stethoscope
Well-Known Member
I'd be wary of painting Labour's very marginal gain of Kensington as any leftward shift. I think what we saw there was product of a significant remain (left, centre and right) vote coming out.
That said, it was annoying to see even left commentators regurgitating 'the richest place in the UK goes Labour!!1!' because despite its obvious wealth, it's also a constituency of working class people too in social housing. I like to think that these people who might not originally be mobilised to come out and vote in a general were motivated to do so this time - I suspect some working class votes persuaded by Corbyn but some by remain and rejecting the current Tories approach to leave.
Amongst wealthy constituents, I'd expect equally to have a strong leave and remain vote (remember, a lot of these people will benefit from and be invested in pro-remain capital, even if they are conservatives).
Either way, its good to see the back (if only temporarily) of the odious Lady Borwick, and Emma Dent Coad getting in who has a good record for fighting and speaking out on social housing, anti-gentrification issues.
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