Absolutely the only single GE 2017 results thread.

[Dom Traynor]

Even so, Davidson must be horrified at the thought of going in with the DUP, regardless of 'assurances'.

She's made some choice tweets about them yes

 

[Vintage Paw]

 

[Casually Red]

I do agree Vintage Paw. But watching them is so fun at the moment.

Please stay while we savour your humiliation, Britain tells May

DUP deal to focus on Brexit, pensions and dinosaurs being a hoax

May hoping for ‘constructive relationship’ with creationist homophobes who think Pope is Satan

Like..it's a joke..but it's not really a joke .

 

[Ted Striker]

From reading the Standard, I got the impression that Borwick was a pretty hopeless candidate. She got booed at on hustings and didn't turn up for subsequent ones.

She was. Served the toffs pretty well but cheerleaded gentrification. Everything but a streetwalker, she survived heavily due to locals disengaged with voting.

And have mentioned at length she was running point in some shitty tory attempt to repeal the ban on ivory trade.

I don't know Coad too much but the labour councillors were textbook fully paid up Team Corbyn believers (if fundamentally useless when I needed them - for the record like). Been walking round the hood today and was hoping to catch them for a congratulatory hug, but one might guess still celebrating

Worth noting that there are some ungentrified bits of "Kensington" (especially since it splot from "and Chelsea). I think my ward Golborne is, by some odd measure, the poorest in the country or something. Have always assumed it was (left without investment as) a deliberate ploy to get people to move on and out (they have huge form for this - proper sneaky/dodgy bastards)

 

[Ted Striker]

Tories aren't dim (or principled). They'll ride this out. No way will they let JC''s momentum risk their power. They'd rather be embarrassed than the opposition.

Just hope the next 5 years are as inert as possible.

 

[not-bono-ever]

And have mentioned at length she was running point in some shitty tory attempt to repeal the ban on ivory trade.

Coincidence that she was previously director of the fine arts and antiquies division at the old earls court. I can see no conflict of interest there.

IIRC, her husband also owned mangense Bronze- the taxi fabricator- this is not someone who is down with the yoot

 

[agricola]

Labour trying to form some sort of government at this point is not only difficult but bad tactically imo. Better to agitate and make life awkward from the opposition benches just for the timebeing. Tories are going to have enough of a nightmare of their own with DUP coalition, brexit talks, and disenchantment with the election and May's leadership.

Indeed.

 

[not-bono-ever]

oddlyh this morning , have been in lenghty conversation with someone who was involved in the Bermondsey campaign- what popped up was when speaking to Somali househoulds during knocking on the estates and blocks - usually women - they were totes engaged with the process and were solid Corbyn- vocally so. Not sure what the cultural background structure is like with Somali women, but the lot on the ground were pretty impressed their grasp of the ideas and the enthusiam shown.

 

[Raheem]

Obviously, letting the Tories rip themselves apart while a minority govt and being discredited more and more by in-fighting, failed votes in parliament, hatred of the DUP, and getting bad press over the brexit negotiations, is a safe way forward. And trying to form a Labour minority govt at the moment could be quite dangerous.

I agree, but in the event that the DUP deal falls apart we're in quite an unusual situation. The chances of a unity government narrative forming may not be odds on, but they're also probably not negligible.

 

[mojo pixy]

As for an alternative queen's speech perhaps some guff about progressive, unifying alliances to negotiate the delicate exit of the whole UK from the EU, with hints or more of working with the SNP and Plaid Cymru (maybe play down Sinn Fein a bit for the sake of JC's tabloid profile). Queenie might love strong and stable, but A United Kingdom would play strongly for her personally, I would guess.

 

[Casually Red]

Can you explain why this is really important this thing of orange men walking through a particular road ?

For them it's a display of outright dominance, contempt and supremacy . They own the place and can march into your district and insult you as they see fit . Nobody...as in nobody...wants them marching there . They're marching over you, not past you . And they believe it's their birthright . These baby's bibs spell it out.

. They also believe as long as they can do this the union is secure .

For residents it's abject humiliation . Because its a ritual humiliation . Your expected to stay off your own streets , keep your head down and know your place . They're celebrating their seminal victory as colonisers over the natives. Irish dispossession and defeat. The imposition of the penal laws and Protestant supremacy . . Many of those residents grew up knowing to keep their heads down , as did the generations before but they're determined their kids and grand kids won't ever experience this bullshit and nonsense .

Nobody wants to ban orange parades, just keep them the fuck out of districts were they're deeply resented . Many of the people on these parades and in their bands are loyalist paramilitaries or affiliated to paramilitaries who tormented and murdered in these contentious districts . The parade is accompanied by jeering hangers on, often themselves paramilitary affiliated . And a huge security presence to keep the residents in lock down in their own homes . and there's just a horrible atmosphere of tension and hate surrounding the whole thing . The residents dread it .


All the cunts have to do is march anywhere else but those handful of districts . For the Orangemen to be marching through those districts is the point of the exercise . The point of being an Orangeman in the first place . It's a hate fest , marketed today as " cultural expression " .

And what happens to those residents sends a direct message to the nationalist community as regards what they are worth within the statelet . If an orangemans allowed to walk over a nationalist district and the state is prepared to forcibly subdue nationalist communities in order to facilitate supremacists and bigots then it's a stark message to everyone in that community as regards their worth .

So if the DUP have secured a deal on this type of thing from May it'll have far reaching consequences . And pretty profound ones at that .

 

[Vintage Paw]

Labour trying to form some sort of government at this point is not only difficult but bad tactically imo. Better to agitate and make life awkward from the opposition benches just for the timebeing. Tories are going to have enough of a nightmare of their own with DUP coalition, brexit talks, and disenchantment with the election and May's leadership.

As I said previously, they need to appear ready to form a government if required whether they want that outcome right now or not.

If May trundles on for a bit and it does eventually lead to another GE, Labour and Corbyn specifically needs to be able to show he's the Prime Minister-in-waiting. Blending into the background now will be spun as weak. They need to harness the enthusiasm, ride the crest of the wave, look "strong and stable" and show they're the natural choice.

I agree it's better to let the Tories come apart under the weight of their own incompetence than it is to be catapulted into a hugely stressful Labour minority government right off the back of all this shite and with Brexit going on. But the intent, desire, and competence to be Prime Minister has to be there from day one as a show of strength to people who might doubt him and as a way of maintaining enthusiasm and drive and hunger to those who will be called on to canvass and campaign and actually go out and vote again whenever this next GE comes.

 

[Plumdaff]

Leanne Wood is on FB blaming people switching from Plaid to Labour for letting the Tories in. Can't be doing with her atm.

 

[Vintage Paw]

I agree, but in the event that the DUP deal falls apart we're in quite an unusual situation. The chances of a unity government narrative forming may not be odds on, but they're also probably not negligible.

I fully expect there are more than a couple of Labour MPs in conversation right now about just this. I don't think there will be enough of them though.

 

[William of Walworth]

anyone seen DownwardDog ? curious to hear his take on recent events..

I'm busy getting ready for marching season.

I don't know that I have a particular 'take'. We won but I was gratfied to see May humbled after the fox hunting thing. Corbyn is still a stupid old cunt with a rubbish bike.

I do think the new Conservative and Democractic Unionist Party government will go the distance on a full term.

Drinking's great isn't it?

 

[Raheem]

I fully expect there are more than a couple of Labour MPs in conversation right now about just this. I don't think there will be enough of them though.

It's not the Labour MPs, it's the Lib Dems and the Tories. They're not going to want a fresh election - they're much more likely to pursue a "the country need to come together" tip. Labour can't appear either surprised or dismissive if that happens.

 

[tim]

Tories aren't dim (or principled). They'll ride this out. No way will they let JC''s momentum risk their power. They'd rather be embarrassed than the opposition.

Just hope the next 5 years are as inert as possible.

They really are not as sensible as you think, and will soon be at each others throats. Remember the farce of the 1990's, when Major stood down as party leader to force Portillo and others to challenge him for the position.

Within Westminster, they'll be fighting over Europe and the succession and remember some of the Europhobes really are both dim and principled. Beyond Westminster, you'll see the likes of Osborne and Davidson putting the boot in.

 

[agricola]

Leanne Wood is on FB blaming people switching from Plaid to Labour for letting the Tories in. Can't be doing with her atm.

That would be the same Plaid who were on FB last week saying the only credible pro-Corbyn vote was for them, because Labour's Welsh MPs hate him.

 

[ska invita]

Islington, home of champagne socialists posh lefties and a few big housing estates .

lots of poverty in Islington...not just "a few housing estates".

I cant post link and text from phone but here's some text

1 in 5 people live in poverty
the borough is ranked in the bottom 10% of deprived areas in England
we have one of the highest levels of child deprivation – 38% of our children live in poverty
we have one of the highest levels – fifth in England – of older people suffering deprivation


search Islington poverty for more

 

[andrewc]

I'm seeing reports on Twitter of an unscheduled Orange march in Liverpool with some trouble outside Irish pubs in the city centre.

Edit. Scratch unscheduled ? They have stuff in their calendar for Southport, but not Liverpool

 

[DotCommunist]

We won

a pyrrhic victory

 

[redsquirrel]

Leanne Wood is on FB blaming people switching from Plaid to Labour for letting the Tories in. Can't be doing with her atm.

Really? Christ, even if she thinks that you'd think she'd have enough sense not to voice it, that is only going to help Labour

 

[SpookyFrank]

Labour trying to form some sort of government at this point is not only difficult but bad tactically imo. Better to agitate and make life awkward from the opposition benches just for the timebeing. Tories are going to have enough of a nightmare of their own with DUP coalition, brexit talks, and disenchantment with the election and May's leadership.

I doubt Corbyn expects to get his queen's speech through, but when everything goes to shit he'll be able to say he tried.

 

[bimble]

the Labour manifesto included a pledge to extend abortion rights to women in NI. I hope this is brought up soon.

 

[weltweit]

 

[Badgers]

Former DUP council candidate sentenced to eight years for pipe-bomb attack on Polish neighbours - BelfastTelegraph.co.uk

 

[Casually Red]

Just reading a number of media reports over here that loyalist paramilitary groups...the UDA in particular ...were instrumental in getting the working class loyalist vote out for the DUP in North and South Belfast . Organised voter registration drives and all that jazz , meet and greets on the campaign trail. As well as paramilitary umbrella groups releasing statements instructing people to vote DUP . That got 2 of these MPs elected in particular,Dodds and Pengelly . Pengelly refers to herself on her election literature as " Emma Little Pengelly " , something she tends not to do elsewhere in her professional life . This is of course a reminder to her constituents that her dad is Noel Little and that she's not ashamed of it.
The terror groups..who killed someone just the other day..again..will of course expect something in return from the DUP / Tory alliance . And their wish list will have been dictated to the DUP well in advance . Theresa May is effectively engaged in negotiations with the political wing of the UDA to all intents and purposes in order to prop up her administration . The same UDA who shot a guy dead just a few days ago in a loyalist turf war . arlene Foster was sitting round a table with the UDAs Jackie McDonald just a few days ago . Now days later she's sitting round a table with Theresa May and with McDonalds demands in her arse pocket .

Loyalist leader Jackie McDonald declares support for Arlene Foster's leadership

UDA-linked magazine urges support for DUP candidates

Allison Morris: DUP now need to repay loyalist loyalty

Arlene Foster criticised after meeting UDA leader days after loyalist murder




So Theresa..i take it these are good terrorists as opposed to the bad terrorists this Corbyn chap said something about 3 fucking decades ago .

 

[Badgers]

How Brexit could wipe out the Tory party. Robert Harris in the Sunday Times.

 

[existentialist]

I doubt Corbyn expects to get his queen's speech through, but when everything goes to shit he'll be able to say he tried.

I imagine that speech will be part of the way in which he gives something back to those who voted for him. It doesn't have to get through - he just has to be seen and heard saying it.

 

[Badgers]

This is worth keeping on file