Absolutely the only single GE 2017 results thread.

[Casually Red]

And Osborne goes in with the first boot.

Theresa May is a 'dead woman walking', George Osborne says as DUP deal descends into chaos

Wahey !!

 

[8den]

That's a bold intrusion by JC. I wonder what Dublin would say as they don't have abortion either? I think SF now supports abortion but in only limited cases not on demand and that's controversial within the party. The DUP and SDLP don't even go that far and blocked a Stormont vote to allow some medically necessary abortion. It's the Church at back of it and Ireland still being a pretty God bothering country. Most people in N.I. (at least) think it's a bit daft that you have to hop over to the other island to terminate an unwanted pregnancy. That is if you can afford it.

We're due a referendum on Abortion in the republic within a year. And the ECHR have come down against the NI abortion ban. Down south Sinn Fein are for the repeal, but in the more conservative North (Catholics and Protestants are more conservative in general north of the border) their support is more lukewarm. One of the many reasons I can't stand SF, the claim to be an all Ireland party, but they're consistently inconsistent on certain policies that they know would be unpopular in certain areas.

 

[Puddy_Tat]

And Osborne goes in with the first boot.

he's been putting the boot in for some while in his capacity as editor of the london evening standard - walking the fence still being anti labour but being anti may / hard brexit as well.

and look how sad he was when the exit polls came out on thursday evening (here) - trigger warning, includes picture of george osborne

 

[Badgers]

Some good news

 

[Casually Red]

he's been putting the boot in for some while in his capacity as editor of the london evening standard - walking the fence still being anti labour but being anti may / hard brexit as well.

and look how sad he was when the exit polls came out on thursday evening (here) - trigger warning, includes picture of george osborne

That's a great pic . Fuck me they are psychopaths..the lot of them .

 

[CrabbedOne]

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I think you've been chatting to your in laws again and extrapolating your insights based on whatever they think . This appears to be a recurring trait of yours . Empirically speaking this mightn't be the most reliable of barometers as regards gauging public opinion . Perhaps you should have a look at the methodology of your research methods and consider factoring in other variables . Such as the opinions of people who aren't your in laws in Belfast .

I've got friends back there who are Catholics as well. I nearly married one. The older demographic I know tend to have rather similar concerns finally. I do also look at polling on changing attitudes sometimes.

I'd agree with you that SF has lost votes up North by being pro-life. I think you got what I was saying on abortion arse about face there. About 60% of the N.I. population are not dogmatically pro-life. Very few people actually take the extreme position of the big N.I. parties on this <20%. Unsurprisingly such views tend to correlate with the Church going part of the population just as it does in the RoI where the Church lobbies hard against abortion. That's not to imply it's a clerical conspiracy. A lot of religious folk are genuinely troubled by abortion and they are a big constituency that votes reliably. The Church can't really be avoided in Irish politics. The DUP sprang out of one. Its stance on abortion isn't a vote winner but it's not just cynical political calculation either. I did hear the DUP had been trying (and failing) to win over conservative RC's on the basis of it. Talk about leaps of faith! But then that did finally work in US politics which influences them heavily.

There is a lot that these two big rather nutty Stormont parties passionately advocate for that really does not appeal to their broader base. People are losing patience with that but they are locked into voting for them for other reasons.

 

[Corax]

I wish people wouldn't call it "pro-life"

Anti-choice or pro-forced-pregnancy are much more accurate descriptors IMO.

 

[Casually Red]

We're due a referendum on Abortion in the republic within a year. And the ECHR have come down against the NI abortion ban. Down south Sinn Fein are for the repeal, but in the more conservative North (Catholics and Protestants are more conservative in general north of the border) their support is more lukewarm. One of the many reasons I can't stand SF, the claim to be an all Ireland party, but they're consistently inconsistent on certain policies that they know would be unpopular in certain areas.

This is the party that invited George bush to visit stormont and simultaneously organised a protest against his visit 5 miles away at Belfast city hall were he couldn't see it .
This is what they do, all the fucking time . Their total inconsistency and dishonesty is the only thing they're consistent at . The GFA and peace process itself is completely ...wholly..dependent upon the shinners ability to talk out both sides of their mouths and their arses simultaneously . It's what they do .

 

[8den]

 

[8den]

I've got friends back there who are Catholics as well. I nearly married one. The older demographic I know tend to have rather similar concerns finally. I do also look at polling on changing attitudes sometimes.

I'd agree with you that SF has lost votes up North by being pro-life. I think you got what I was saying on abortion arse about face there. About 60% of the N.I. population are not dogmatically pro-life. Very few people actually take the extreme position of the big N.I. parties on this <20%. Unsurprisingly such views tend to correlate with the Church going part of the population just as it does in the RoI where the Church lobbies hard against abortion. That's not to imply it's a clerical conspiracy. A lot of religious folk are genuinely troubled by abortion and they are a big constituency that votes reliably. The Church can't really be avoided in Irish politics. The DUP sprang out of one. Its stance on abortion isn't a vote winner but it's not just cynical political calculation either. I did hear the DUP had been trying (and failing) to win over conservative RC's on the basis of it. Talk about leaps of faith! But then that did finally work in US politics which influences them heavily.

There is a lot that these two big rather nutty Stormont parties passionately advocate for that really does not appeal to their broader base. People are losing patience with that but they are locked into voting for them for other reasons.

It's like in America, the most extreme voices (NRA, Pro Life) get elected.

 

[8den]

This is the party that invited George bush to visit stormont and simultaneously organised a protest against his visit 5 miles away at Belfast city hall were he couldn't see it .
This is what they do, all the fucking time . Their total inconsistency and dishonesty is the only thing they're consistent at . The GFA and peace process itself is completely ...wholly..dependent upon the shinners ability to talk out both sides of their mouths and their arses simultaneously . It's what they do .

I just liked a CR post.

 

[Casually Red]

I've got friends back there who are Catholics as well. I nearly married one. The older demographic I know tend to have rather similar concerns finally. I do also look at polling on changing attitudes sometimes.

I'd agree with you that SF has lost votes up North by being pro-life. I think you got what I was saying on abortion arse about face there. About 60% of the N.I. population are not dogmatically pro-life. Very few people actually take the extreme position of the big N.I. parties on this <20%. Unsurprisingly such views tend to correlate with the Church going part of the population just as it does in the RoI where the Church lobbies hard against abortion. That's not to imply it's a clerical conspiracy. A lot of religious folk are genuinely troubled by abortion and they are a big constituency that votes reliably. The Church can't really be avoided in Irish politics. The DUP sprang out of one. Its stance on abortion isn't a vote winner but it's not just cynical political calculation either. I did hear the DUP had been trying (and failing) to win over conservative RC's on the basis of it. Talk about leaps of faith! But then that did finally work in US politics which influences them heavily.

There is a lot that these two big rather nutty Stormont parties passionately advocate for that really does not appeal to their broader base. People are losing patience with that but they are locked into voting for them for other reasons.

You've gotten it arse about face . The shinners lost votes and members when they dropped their pro life stance . That amnesty poll you've linked to..as I pointed out in my reply to you, is very shady indeed . They refuse even to elaborate on what were the actual questions they put to people . And it greatly contradicts recent quite transparent surveys conductd by state agencies on the same issue . When an organisation that supports a stance goes out and does a survey, comes back and announces the results of their survey massively contradict all the neutral ones..and then refuse to reveal what were the actual questions it's quite wise to take a pinch of salt or 2 .Regardless of ones own position on the issue is , it's just common sense to be sceptical .

And as I pointed out before its not just the godbotherers and beadjigglers . There's a section of what would be regarded as far left types and atheists opposed to it too . It's way more complicated than you're portraying .

Also In case you just missed it every last parliamentary seat in the north just went to either the DUP or the shinners for the first time ever . Apart fromLady Sylivia Hermon out there on millionaires row which is an insulated bubble of privilege . All the other parties got massively wiped out .

 

[Badgers]

 

[existentialist]

I just liked a CR post.

His time has come, maybe?

 

[8den]

David Cameron, "that was the worst self-inflicted wound in British politics".

Theresa May, "hold my coffee & chips".

There’s a member of the living dead walking Downing Street | Andrew Rawnsley

 

[Badgers]

Two arrested in clashes during Protestant march through Liverpool

 

[campanula]

they are hoping the ritual sacrifice of those two key advisers will keep internal voices happy I recon.

She didn't even sack them...but let them resign. Weak!
I am enjoying this whole thing immensely.

 

[scifisam]

His time has come, maybe?

I don't get why some people are fawning over CR in this thread when you've been given a very good example of how he speaks about gay people when he thinks he can get away with it. How can you trust how version of events to be accurate when he's so bigoted? How can you think it might be great that his time has come when he thinks that gay parents like me are abusive monsters? He's said that we'll be teaching them about felching and they'll be quivering in fear and totally fucked up.

I'm genuinely hurt that, after that being posted up on this very thread, so many of you are going ooh thanks CR! Shows that gay parents are less welcome on urban than those who despise them.

I wish people wouldn't call it "pro-life"

Anti-choice or pro-forced-pregnancy are much more accurate descriptors IMO.

Especially when the life of the mother is at risk and they won't allow it even then.

 

[existentialist]

I wasn't fawning, so much as noticing.

 

[scifisam]

I wasn't fawning, so much as noticing.

Noticing that maybe the time of a racist homophobic twat has come? Thinking he's a reputable source of information? Wow, I'm SO happy to be on this forum. I'm disgusted and really fucked off.

 

[Orang Utan]

Yes, time for him to fuck off. nasty little prude.

 

[8den]

I don't get why some people are fawning over CR in this thread when you've been given a very good example of how he speaks about gay people when he thinks he can get away with it. How can you trust how version of events to be accurate when he's so bigoted? How can you think it might be great that his time has come when he thinks that gay parents like me are abusive monsters? He's said that we'll be teaching them about felching and they'll be quivering in fear and totally fucked up.

I'm genuinely hurt that, after that being posted up on this very thread, so many of you are going ooh thanks CR! Shows that gay parents are less welcome on urban than those who despise them.

I was more referring to the concept of "even a stopped clock is right twice a day".

Having been at the receiving end of much of CR's abuse I'm perfectly aware of what a nasty little shit he is.

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

While it was predictable that some Corbyn supporters in his party would blame his internal opponents for Labour not doing even better on Thursday, it's mistaken because life and politics are often more non linear than that.

In fact, without those divisions it is very unlikely the election would have been called at all, and if relations now improve after a couple of years of not being able to sort it out among themselves, the main person they have to thank is probably The Saudi Sweetheart herself.

 

[Badgers]

So no deal done at all then?

 

[Sue]

So no deal done at all then?

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This is going well.

 

[19force8]

While it was predictable that some Corbyn supporters in his party would blame his internal opponents for Labour not doing even better on Thursday, it's mistaken because life and politics are often more non linear than that.

In fact, without those divisions it is very unlikely the election would have been called at all, and if relations now improve after a couple of years of not being able to sort it out among themselves, the main person they have to thank is probably The Saudi Sweetheart herself.

In part I agree. I know Corbyn isn't into the big "I am," but even I was shocked at the way so many of the PLP barely even acknowledged the Labour Party in their election literature. A show of commitment might have pulled even more votes.

 

[equationgirl]

I said thank you to him because he told me something I didn't know. His stance on many things, including his abhorrent and incorrect views on gay parents, is wrong, bigoted and offensive scifisam

 

[8den]

Well this is a marvellous turn of events.

 

[bimble]

i just saw that. Fucking priceless. They want Farage in the brexit negotiating room.

 

[8den]

Context (not sure if this has been posted before), the DUP apparently got a mysterious donation of nearly half a million quid, and because of NI election laws didn't have to declare it. Perhaps the money came from say, Aaron Banks, and not a Saudi Prince?

The dark mystery of who funded the DUP's six figure Brexit campaign