Absolutely the only single GE 2017 results thread.
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CrabbedOne
Walking sideways snippily
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The folk up North also rely on a large pre-Thatcherite public sector. The Troubles fucked the place up rather badly. The rate of mental problems in Belfast for instance is scary. There's too many people with ageing burn scars and troubled kneecaps. The NHS and free prescriptions really matter. Too many investors still think of Belfast as Beirut on the Lagan.
I think this is a basic problem for SF. They're catering to two populations with rather different political expectations/needs. It necessarily involves a great deal of agile hypocrisy but then so does sitting Stormont occasionally working with the DUP who actually face the same sort of social problems.
I know some of SF's progressive policies go down like a lead balloon in Belfast as a lot of folk are quite socially conservative. They're leading but the people are not always following. A mate working in an asian community centre told me a while back the dissidents were trying to stir up the Catholic community and undermine SF over their immigration policies with some success. It's worth remembering there are worse people about than SF and they are making inroads with the youth.
The folk up North also rely on a large pre-Thatcherite public sector. The Troubles fucked the place up rather badly. The rate of mental problems in Belfast for instance is scary. There's too many people with ageing burn scars and troubled kneecaps. The NHS and free prescriptions really matter. Too many investors still think of Belfast as Beirut on the Lagan.
I think this is a basic problem for SF. They're catering to two populations with rather different political expectations/needs. It necessarily involves a great deal of agile hypocrisy but then so does sitting Stormont occasionally working with the DUP who actually face the same sort of social problems.
Casually Red
tomorrow belongs to me
Best bit is the ads weren't even aired in Ireland . Only in Britain . Seems Ireland's a sneaky back door into the UK for all sorts of Saudi funded extremists . If I was Corbyn I'd be promising to build a wall even bigger than Trumps .
CrabbedOne
Walking sideways snippily
Yes, US politics has become rather too similar.
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
This May/DUP deal looks like it's coming off the rails big time - it's breeding, if possible, even more resentment against May within the party.
Amazingly, it may be her deranged grasping for a deal that keeps her in power that proves her undoing - the party might put up with a C&S deal with the DUP in the very short term that allows a May to stay until a succession can be arranged over the summer, but they'll not put up with this kind of nonsense.
Amazingly, it may be her deranged grasping for a deal that keeps her in power that proves her undoing - the party might put up with a C&S deal with the DUP in the very short term that allows a May to stay until a succession can be arranged over the summer, but they'll not put up with this kind of nonsense.
Raheem
Well-Known Member
i just saw that. Fucking priceless. They want Farage in the brexit negotiating room.
Are they making the Tories an offer they can't accept?
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
Why the suffering fuck would they want Farage 
stethoscope
Well-Known Member
8den
No I'm pretty sure that was 8ball...
Yeah but any successor is faced with the exact same problem. They'll still have to deal with the DUP, or go back for another GE. And I saw it earlier this morning, but can't find it, every potential Tory leader, is currently less popular than May. So the Tories face going to the country for the third time in three years to get humiliated again.
This George Osbourne Dominatrix thing is really starting to put things in context.
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stethoscope
Well-Known Member
Why the suffering fuck would they want Farage
Because I think they trust Farage more to negotiate a deal than May, Davis, Boris & co.
Treacle Toes
Time
What doesn't make sense to me though is that the DUP are reported to want a 'soft' brexit. Surely Farage isn't the right person for that? What am I missing here?
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
Even with the soft border requirement? They're even more mental than they appear so far then
stethoscope
Well-Known Member
What doesn't make sense to me though is that the DUP are reported to want a 'soft' brexit. Surely Farage isn't the right person for that? What am I missing here?
Farage being more competent than the Tories at doing so, whatever the positioning.
Treacle Toes
Time
Tories won't let Farage bully and shout over their 'negotiations' on this.
Interesting to see how 'wacky' the DUP demands can get. If this is an indication then this is pretty fucking far from any sort of deal/coalition.
IF this DUP deal falls apart then where can the Tories go next?
Interesting to see how 'wacky' the DUP demands can get. If this is an indication then this is pretty fucking far from any sort of deal/coalition.
IF this DUP deal falls apart then where can the Tories go next?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Farage will turn up pissed and tell the EU lot to sod off. Thus guaranteeing a super hard brexit. And all before opening time.
8den
No I'm pretty sure that was 8ball...
Why the suffering fuck would they want Farage
1. They likely took a wodge of cash from Aaron Banks.
2. We have established they're a few Lambeg drums short of a full marching band.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
May's going to be gone tomorrow, isn't she?
Treacle Toes
Time
In all seriousness... I understand that they might think this but aren't they underestimating just how much Farage is hated in the EU and how much that will influence any attempt to negotiate well?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
They'll need someone to bring in the refreshmentsi just saw that. Fucking priceless. They want Farage in the brexit negotiating room.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
She's been gone for some time now, and her physical departure will simply follow her mental one.
Calamity1971
If Mr Peanut says It's okay, then it is.
Drank in there many times. 20% are off their tits on spice and the other 80% are that stoned (you can smoke weed in an enclosed alley just off the lounge) that they couldn't be arsed to fight anyway.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
have to ask, do you still think corbyn is an undetectable liability then?
I am enjoying this fail a lot. Still have a nasty feeling they will pull this out the bag and form a shitty government again
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Yep. It's fantasy to think that Farage would be in the negotiations, for exactly this reason. Plus he's had a fair few months realigning himself as the anti-Muslim ally of the FN in France and Trump in the US since he was last in the European Parliament pretending to speak for Britain.
TBh I suspected the DUP would overplay their hand and demand too much, but I didn't quite expect this one.
Casually Red
tomorrow belongs to me
You're mates ..or more likely a story you simply made up ...is talking utter bollocks as regards immigration . Utter bollocks . The " dissidents " have an extensive list of very serious issues and grievances as long as your arm to go after Sinn Fein with and that's most definitely not one of them . Not least because there are hardly any people whatsoever from ethnic minorities living in nationalist districts of Belfast because of the utterly chronic housing shortage .so there's virtually nobody for any passing opportunist to scapegoat.
Those areas are bursting at the seams as theyve been hemmed in for decades behind peace walls and roads like the westlink that were built with military inspired segregation and security planning to the fore , like in Palestine . To deliberately corral entire districts and militarily control them leaving zero room for any expansion..and that was decades ago . Districts that had chronic housing shortages even well before that thanks to systemic discrimination .
Immigrants virtually always 99% of the time move into the unionist districts were there's an abundance of cheap housing in areas people are often desperate to move out of . Immigration simply isn't a political issue in nationalist districts for an entire raft of reasons..social, historical, ideological ..whatever..that would even remotely resonate or have any traction whatsoever in nationalist Belfast . To take such a stance would instead see you reviled and excoriated among any politically aware youth that would be the " dissident " constituency . It would be an utter scandal that everybody would have heard about . The place is way way too small and incestuous to keep something like that hushed up and that would be an absolute scandal . A huge thing had it happened . Yet nobody only your mate has heard about it ?
Why would dissidents need to use immigrants as a scapegoat against provisional sinn fein when they can simply point to the vast raft of property portfolios in impoverished nationalist districts which are controlled by senior Provos ? At how their buy to let empires have facilitated major breakdowns in community cohesion and rampant anti social behaviour from undesirables who flit in and out . When they can point to 17 fucking years of Stormont and the shinners in power and then point to the chronic poverty that these districts are in .
Why would they even contemplate scapegoating immigrants when they can just point to Milltown cemetery, full of people who died for nothing , and to districts full of men who wasted lifetimes in jail just to see the shinners waltz into stormont and chasing the fucking royals about the place like sycophants ? . Or point to another generation now sitting in maghaberry jail while the shinners line up with their jailers ?
This tale is bollocks not least because the shinners themselves would be singing it to the heavens ..as would their pet media...had it ever occurred. It's bollocks .utterly absurd . And frankly it's an insult to the youth of republican west Belfast, given their political heritage, that such dog whistle stunts would even prove attractive to them .
Important to have goals eh.
