Absolutely the only single GE 2017 results thread.

[two sheds]

How did you get on with your sloe gin two sheds?

I still have some

Two weeks I've had this it may be a record.

 

[Corax]

Okay, fair enough, perhaps Kensington was a poor example. There has been a trend for Labour to be picking up more support from what would have traditionally been conservative capitalists though, IIUC. That made easy sense under Blairism of course, but seems to have continued with Corbyn's very non-Blairism revival.

 

[Vintage Paw]

Don't know where to put this: Ruth Davidson planning Scottish Tory breakaway as she challenges Theresa May's Brexit plan

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA - even though they'll still take the Tory whip this is just such beautiful chaos.

 

[fakeplasticgirl]

re: kensington, it also voted massively in favour of remain so i can imagine people loathing theresa may and hard brexit and voting labour more as a protest vote, not thinking there was a chance they might take it?

Also - I don't know where the boundaries lie but imperial college's student residences are in south kensington so possibly a big student vote too?

stupid question from me re: corbyn and islington north. Isn't islington super posh too?! haha or am I getting confused?

 

[stethoscope]

stupid question from me re: corbyn and islington north. Isn't islington super posh too?! haha or am I getting confused?

Islington North constituency is pretty mixed too - yes, lots of wealthy people and areas, but plenty of working class and social housing too (I think I read something like 40% social housing there).

 

[xenon]

Islington, home of champagne socialists posh lefties and a few big housing estates .

 

[Puddy_Tat]

 

[Casually Red]

May says she's now reached a deal with the LVFs political wing . corbyns insisting on fighting her right down to the wire, voting against the queens speech and stuff like that and still aiming for a minority government . This plainly hasn't been talked through with the rest of her party . Who probably all hate her now . Among other things . Monday could be interesting . Someone's bound to put the boot in and not play ball .

 

[littlebabyjesus]

re: kensington, it also voted massively in favour of remain so i can imagine people loathing theresa may and hard brexit and voting labour more as a protest vote, not thinking there was a chance they might take it?

Also - I don't know where the boundaries lie but imperial college's student residences are in south kensington so possibly a big student vote too?

stupid question from me re: corbyn and islington north. Isn't islington super posh too?! haha or am I getting confused?

Don't think the idea of a protest vote is really credible. Yes, the seat has always been tory since its creation in 1974, but labour have always been the second party and a fair few elections have been close, including a wafer-thin by-election in 1988. I would look at it rather in reverse - informed tory voters are likely to be aware that the seat has a substantial chunk of labour voters in it, and that apathy from tory voters could see labour winning.

 

[Dom Traynor]

Don't know where to put this: Ruth Davidson planning Scottish Tory breakaway as she challenges Theresa May's Brexit plan

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA - even though they'll still take the Tory whip this is just such beautiful chaos.

Already been discredited by Ruth pointing out she ran for leader against that very idea.

 

[Corax]

I'd guess that May will be spending a lot of time talking with the DUP tomorrow to finalise any sticking points.

checks calendar

Ah... maybe not...

 

[fakeplasticgirl]

Don't think the idea of a protest vote is really credible. Yes, the seat has always been tory since its creation in 1974, but labour have always been the second party and a fair few elections have been close, including a wafer-thin by-election in 1988. I would look at it rather in reverse - informed tory voters are likely to be aware that the seat has a substantial chunk of labour voters in it, and that apathy from tory voters could see labour winning.

hope it was that! I did read the pro brexit tory MP was loathed...

 

[Sirena]

There are probably a struggling and hard pressed core of real people left - those who get up at 4am to run buses , clean streets , maybe drive a tube train etc etc....hanging onto social housing etc. These good folk are the ones who turned out and voted Labour. F===ing good on them I say.

Lady Borwick (the tory ex MP) had a poor reputation among her electorate, just for responding to letters, complaints, concerns etc.

And, very recently, she personally scuppered a UK ban on the elephant ivory trade (Tories BOW to wealthy antiques dealers and DROP ban on elephant ivory in manifesto) and there are a lot of people very protective about the extinction threat to major mammals.

Lots to celebrate then.....

 

[killer b]

anyone seen DownwardDog ? curious to hear his take on recent events...

 

[Weller]

Jeremy Corbyn vows to oust Theresa May 'within a matter of days'

Jeremy Corbyn vows to oust Theresa May 'within a matter of days' after spectacular election result

I know that something similar though not quite the same happened in 74 with Heath / Wilson but in these circumstances is it even possible with Corbyn so far down in seats and unable to form a coalition being able to achieve this or force another election somehow if Mays D.U.P deal fails or something , is it even possible ?

 

[stethoscope]

Ah that's interesting LBJ, as clearly since the Kensington constituency was split from the old and larger former Kensington & Chelsea in 2010, the Labour vote has been much more solid:

Kensington (UK Parliament constituency) - Wikipedia
Kensington and Chelsea (UK Parliament constituency) - Wikipedia

Looks like the Tory vote was down only 2,000 from 2010 though, but a sizeable Labour shift.

 

[equationgirl]

Already been discredited by Ruth pointing out she ran for leader against that very idea.

Even so, Davidson must be horrified at the thought of going in with the DUP, regardless of 'assurances'.

 

[agricola]

Jeremy Corbyn vows to oust Theresa May 'within a matter of days'

I know that something similar though not quite the same happened in 74 with Heath / Wilson but in these circumstances is it even possible with Corbyn so far down in seats and unable to form a coalition being able to achieve this or force another election somehow if Mays D.U.P deal fails or something , is it even possible ?

If they can amend the Queen's Speech then they can get rid of them, though whether or not there is going to be something that they can get a defeat on is another matter, and of course then he comes to the point of trying to form a Government himself - which would be almost impossible.

 

[tim]

Come on, Ken Clarke!

Theresa will happily swap him for Frank Field

 

[Vintage Paw]

Jeremy Corbyn vows to oust Theresa May 'within a matter of days'


I know that something similar though not quite the same happened in 74 with Heath / Wilson but in these circumstances is it even possible with Corbyn so far down in seats and unable to form a coalition being able to achieve this or force another election somehow if Mays D.U.P deal fails or something , is it even possible ?

It's a tricky situation, but I think they've got the balance about right at the moment. It's early days though.

Obviously, letting the Tories rip themselves apart while a minority govt and being discredited more and more by in-fighting, failed votes in parliament, hatred of the DUP, and getting bad press over the brexit negotiations, is a safe way forward. And trying to form a Labour minority govt at the moment could be quite dangerous.

BUT, Corbyn and team are doing absolutely the right thing by being very forward at positioning themselves as ready and able to take over and govern if needed. If they sat back and didn't say this, people would be able to accuse them of not really wanting it, not being prepared for it, etc. By preparing an alternative queen's speech, and by saying they're ready to go ahead and govern, they show an amount of capability and professionalism that they've been accused of not having for a long time. It rides the wave of new-found faith a lot of people have in them now.

I think they should also be working very hard behind the scenes on producing their own negotiating plan for brext as well. One of the big criticisms of May and her brexit team was that they had no plans, they hadn't told us anything. Corbs needs to have something comprehensive ready to go that they can tell us about.

Right now it's all about presentation.

 

[UnderOpenSky]

I do agree Vintage Paw. But watching them is so fun at the moment.

Please stay while we savour your humiliation, Britain tells May

 

[Mungy]

Theresa will happily swap him for Frank Field

i hate frank. he's a cunt. used to be my mp.

 

[tim]

Don't think the idea of a protest vote is really credible. Yes, the seat has always been tory since its creation in 1974, but labour have always been the second party and a fair few elections have been close, including a wafer-thin by-election in 1988. I would look at it rather in reverse - informed tory voters are likely to be aware that the seat has a substantial chunk of labour voters in it, and that apathy from tory voters could see labour winning.

From reading the Standard, I got the impression that Borwick was a pretty hopeless candidate. She got booed at on hustings and didn't turn up for subsequent ones.

 

[tim]

i hate frank. he's a cunt. used to be my mp.

I used to stalk him.

 

[DownwardDog]

anyone seen DownwardDog ? curious to hear his take on recent events...

I'm busy getting ready for marching season.

I don't know that I have a particular 'take'. We won but I was gratfied to see May humbled after the fox hunting thing. Corbyn is still a stupid old cunt with a rubbish bike.

I do think the new Conservative and Democractic Unionist Party government will go the distance on a full term.

 

[stethoscope]

If they can amend the Queen's Speech then they can get rid of them, though whether or not there is going to be something that they can get a defeat on is another matter, and of course then he comes to the point of trying to form a Government himself - which would be almost impossible.

Labour trying to form some sort of government at this point is not only difficult but bad tactically imo. Better to agitate and make life awkward from the opposition benches just for the timebeing. Tories are going to have enough of a nightmare of their own with DUP coalition, brexit talks, and disenchantment with the election and May's leadership.

 

[Casually Red]

Just looking at some of the reports, seems the DUP were looking for a ministerial post but Tory MPs said no chance . They'll have gotten something hefty in exchange for dropping that demand. What none of the UK pundits are talking about is that well up in the DUP wish list will be orange bands going through ...being forced through because they'll have to be... the likes of Ardoyne and possibly even garvaghy road .
There's no way the DUP will let that slide in a position of such advantage . It's a dream for them .
Now that might seem like a purely parochial localised issue but I can assure you the implications of that will be wide and far reaching if they've done it . That'll spark not just mayhem but something more politically profound .

 

[Casually Red]

I do agree Vintage Paw. But watching them is so fun at the moment.

Please stay while we savour your humiliation, Britain tells May

Ha

 

[Vintage Paw]

 

[bimble]

..well up in the DUP wish list will be orange bands going through ...being forced through because they'll have to be... the likes of Ardoyne and possibly even garvaghy road .
There's no way the DUP will let that slide in a position of such advantage . It's a dream for them .

Can you explain why this is really important this thing of orange men walking through a particular road ?