A thank you to Brexiteers.

[Bahnhof Strasse]

I think I've reached the limit of my knowledge here; maybe some of the better informed folk like Bahnhof Strasse might be able to help with that?

AFAIK the non-Schengen countries all have the same rules as Ireland, i.e Schengen to Cyprus = passport/id needed and a Schengen visa* is not valid.

Schengen visa is for people who need a visa to visit a Schengen country, e.g. a Mongolian national. If that national wishes to visit multiple Schengen nations they must apply for the one they intend to visit first. They can then travel around the Schengen zone without need for additional visas**, or indeed the requirement to show a passport to pass between those states. Should they wish to visit a non-Schengen EU state they will need to show a passport to enter and if applicable, be in possession of a visa for that country. Where Ireland is a special case (and the UK was until it left) is that there is a Common Travel Area between the UK and Ireland and no documentation is required to travel between the two, however should said Mongolian have a visa for Ireland and wishes to visit the UK they would need to obtain a separate visa for the UK, there is no Common Travel Area visa. Of course the need is most commonly the other way around, you have a UK visa and wished to visit Ireland, some people have suggested flying to Belfast and getting on a train to Dublin, there are occasionally checks on the train and on the roads too, and should you be found in Dublin with no valid visa you will be an illegal immigrant and expelled, not to the UK but to your native land.

**The Mongolian travelling band with their Schengen visas will still need separate visas for each country they will perform in, should anyone get over-excited at the discovery of the Schengen visa.

 

[krtek a houby]

Please, please, please, please. please!

No more posts about fucking bands. There’s a separate thread available for the two or three people who actually give a fuck about this.

Makes you think. Are bands actually needed? Does anybody listen to bands?

 

[bimble]

Can somebody explain in simple terms why theres this rush on to get an australia trade deal in six days? why is the speed so important?

Australian government prepared to walk away from UK free trade deal over agricultural access

Trade minister Dan Tehan hopes to reach an agreement in six days but says there are outstanding issues amid a pushback from British farmers

www.theguardian.com

 

[High Voltage]

Can somebody explain in simple terms why theres this rush on to get an australia trade deal in six days? why is the speed so important?

Australian government prepared to walk away from UK free trade deal over agricultural access

Trade minister Dan Tehan hopes to reach an agreement in six days but says there are outstanding issues amid a pushback from British farmers

www.theguardian.com

Both sides are hoping to strike an in-principle agreement by the time the Australian prime minister, Scott Morrison, meets with Boris Johnson in London on Tuesday next week.

 

[bimble]

yeah but why.
Just so the photos of them shaking hands can have 'trade agreement agreed in principle' under them?
Without a trade deal are we just not buying or selling stuff at all with the australians? i don't get it, the rush.

 

[Supine]

yeah but why.
Just so the photos of them shaking hands can have 'trade agreement agreed in principle' under them?
Without a trade deal are we just not buying or selling stuff at all with the australians? i don't get it, the rush.

all for a photo op. It really is that simple.

 

[Spymaster]

That won't work.
The EUro
You would need an exit mechanism, and I think there are other EUrozone members that are better candidates for pioneering that one

Of course it can "work", and of course there'd need to be an exit program from the monetary union. There are other states who'll be exiting too but Ireland has to be the prime candidate. They're being fucked over by the EU more than most, they're going to have tremendous issues with the corporation tax changes and huge employers buggering off, and they trade less percentage wise with the EU than most (any?) of the other member states (over 60% of their trade is non-EU, with their major trading partners being the U.S. and the U.K. iirc).

I will requote this post in 5 years when it happens.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Of course it can "work", and of course there'd need to be an exit program from the monetary union.

The Punt was pegged to the pound anyway, would be but a morning's work to to sort the money situation out.

 

[two sheds]

Yes I always thought they should have kept the different currencies, just pegged them all 1:1 so £1 = 1 Franc = 1 Guilder etc etc. Countries lost some of their history there.

 

[Yossarian]

Would the Irish not prefer to have the weight of the EU behind them when negotiating deals with their perfidious neighbours?

 

[gosub]

Of course it can "work", and of course there'd need to be an exit program from the monetary union. There are other states who'll be exiting too but Ireland has to be the prime candidate. They're being fucked over by the EU more than most, they're going to have tremendous issues with the corporation tax changes and huge employers buggering off, and they trade less percentage wise with the EU than most (any?) of the other member states (over 60% of their trade is non-EU, with their major trading partners being the U.S. and the U.K. iirc).

I will requote this thread in 5 years when it happens.

Its not that I can't see it. But in terms of wishful thinking - Oi EUrope! sort it out! You need a major overhaul built round taxation and and organisational structure and you know it.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Would the Irish not prefer to have the weight of the EU behind them when negotiating deals with their perfidious neighbours?

How's that going for them so far?

 

[gosub]

How's that going for them so far?

I think they got the President they wanted.

 

[Spymaster]

Its not that I can't see it. But in terms of wishful thinking - Oi EUrope! sort it out! You need a major overhaul built round taxation and and organisational structure and you know it.

Of course it would. And that's what will happen. You're acting like all this is impossible. It's very far from impossible.

 

[gosub]

Of course it would. And that's what will happen. You're acting like all this is impossible. It's very far from impossible.

I've very much not ruled it out, however that's down to them. In the meantime the EU is not the only one in need of an overhaul. UK needs a new constitutional settlement too. And PDQ., Trouble is off the back of the last decade (if not longer) I'm not sure our political 'elite' are up for the job.

(or maybe the old one would work if we didn't have a bunch of twats that considered themselves 'elite')

 

[editor]

Depends how thorough you want to check them of course, as mentioned, the higher the EU forces Ireland's unemployment levels to rise the more people they can train as custom wallahs. The UK's getting an extra 50,000 apparently, UK races to find extra 50,000 staff for post-Brexit paperwork , the British Isles could become a customs based joint economy, another Brexit win.

So 50,000 jobs invented to serve needlessly created bureaucracy is a big win in your book?

Are they all being paid in magic beans or do you think all those costs will eventually trickle down to everyone else?

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

So 50,000 jobs invented to serve needlessly created bureaucracy is a big win in your book?

Are they all being paid in magic beans or do you think all those costs will eventually trickle down to everyone else?

One minute you're moaning about a lack of work and the next you moan about 50,000 new jobs being created. What's the derogatory term for people who voted remain again?

 

[editor]

One minute you're moaning about a lack of work and the next you moan about 50,000 new jobs being created. What's the derogatory term for people who voted remain again?

So you're all for extra, state-funded bureaucracy - the kind of bureaucracy that increases costs and leads to small companies going bust or leaving the country, yes?

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

So you're all for extra, state-funded bureaucracy - the kind of bureaucracy that increases costs and leads to small companies going bust or leaving the country, yes?

I am all for jobs, yes, and state funded rather than capital led is even better for workers. There’s no reason that once the Covid / leaving dust settles there should be extra costs or small business going bust, indeed my own small business has been ravaged by the pandemic but since the start of May has bounced back with a number of new EU clients coming on board, three from Belgium, four from France, two from Italy and two from Germany. They would all rather deal with a company in the U.K. than a local one, I spent the downtime caused by the pandemic ensuring that I could provide services for EU clients in a seamless manner and it is now paying dividends. I could have spent my time just moaning about how everything will be awful but that wouldn’t have been very productive.

 

[editor]

I am all for jobs, yes, and state funded rather than capital led is even better for workers. There’s no reason that once the Covid / leaving dust settles there should be extra costs or small business going bust, indeed my own small business has been ravaged by the pandemic but since the start of May has bounced back with a number of new EU clients coming on board, three from Belgium, four from France, two from Italy and two from Germany. They would all rather deal with a company in the U.K. than a local one, I spent the downtime caused by the pandemic ensuring that I could provide services for EU clients in a seamless manner and it is now paying dividends. I could have spent my time just moaning about how everything will be awful but that wouldn’t have been very productive.

Who do you think is going to be paying for these previously unneeded jobs that are being created solely to deal with so many new layers of post-Brexit bureaucracy that some UK businesses are thinking of abandoning the UK altogether? How can that possibly be a good thing?

 

[gosub]

These previously unneeded jobs if taken up will gladly bal export capabilities which could come in handy one day if some tech head invents some kind of f virtual shopping

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Who do you think is going to be paying for these previously unneeded jobs that are being created solely to deal with so many new layers of post-Brexit bureaucracy that some UK businesses are thinking of abandoning the UK altogether? How can that possibly be a good thing?

Same people paying for the furlough scheme, small business owners chip in a fair whack. But I would rather my taxes went to pay a decent wage for these 50,000 than poverty existence on UC.

 

[Raheem]

It's inevitably going to be paid for by cutting useful services elsewhere, though, isn't it?

 

[editor]

Same people paying for the furlough scheme, small business owners chip in a fair whack. But I would rather my taxes went to pay a decent wage for these 50,000 than poverty existence on UC.

I'd rather tens of billions hadn't been wasted on the catastrophe that is Brexit, and I'd rather even more wasn't wasted creating business-destroying bureaucracy that cripples more small businesses.

What makes you think that these jobs are going to be well paid, btw?

 

[editor]

It's inevitably going to be paid for by cutting useful services elsewhere, though, isn't it?

Correct. With probably some NHS cuts thrown in.

You can't create 50,000 previously unneeded new jobs without diverting money from elsewhere.

 

[Pickman's model]

I am all for jobs, yes, and state funded rather than capital led is even better for workers.

Well... A vast number of public sector workers (state funded) are on c.85-90% - maybe less - of their 2008 wage in real terms, with no prospect in sight of employers paying us what they thought we were worth 13 years ago. So yeh decent ts and cs. But in terms of wages? Not so great.

 

[editor]

Makes you think. Are bands actually needed? Does anybody listen to bands?

Millions and millions of people. Every day.

 

[Pickman's model]

Makes you think. Are bands actually needed? Does anybody listen to bands?

Not at the moment. Live music is largely on pause. Fortunately I can listen to Elvis or the who and Jimi Hendrix etc in the comfort of my front room.

 

[Raheem]

(If it's on pause, surely it must be recorded music.)

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

I'd rather tens of billions hadn't been wasted on the catastrophe that is Brexit, and I'd rather even more wasn't wasted creating business-destroying bureaucracy that cripples more small businesses.

What makes you think that these jobs are going to be well paid, btw?

I think they will be better laid than UC. Of course if you have figures to show that is not the case please do post them up rather keep shifting goalposts, which is rather tedious.