A thank you to Brexiteers.

[MickiQ]

Yep i think its mostly covid. People have been buying houses like its loo roll, and those that can't move are doing Stuff to the houses they're already in. I think that'll continue for at least a year or two as the covid-related divorces get processed and even more people move house.

I expect the main consequence of that is going to be a demand for rented properties and thus upward pressure on rents. It pretty much needs 2 wages to buy these days

 

[Badgers]

I expect the main consequence of that is going to be a demand for rented properties and thus upward pressure on rents. It pretty much needs 2 wages to buy these days

I would say three wages or more

 

[bimble]

I expect the main consequence of that is going to be a demand for rented properties and thus upward pressure on rents. It pretty much needs 2 wages to buy these days

Yep maybe. I think one of the things that's going on at the moment & will continue is a massive increase in inequality, between those who saved loads during the past year due to keeping their same pay & not going on holiday / eating out etc and those who basically lost everything.

 

[The39thStep]

So is that stuff about going to the Hotel D'Ville a lie?

A friend of mine here has a mate coming over on Monday to stay. She says the only requirements are a negative PCT test 72 hours before landing here. On return he has to do the same before embarking and have a test in the the UK on the second day. Spoke to some Portuguese who work in the hotels and one of them was back last week the others this week. They said they expect a trickle rather than a flood of tourists from the UK mainly due to the costs of tests .

 

[MickiQ]

I would say three wages or more

Two decent full time jobs are still enough in most places I would say, When Mrs Q and I bought our first house we bought it entirely based on my salary. We never doubted we wanted a family and we wanted to be a position where she had the option of being a full time mum if she wanted.
That was a very common attitude back in the 80's I suspect a lot of young couples these days will face much harder choices.

 

[Pickman's model]

Two decent full time jobs are still enough in most places I would say, When Mrs Q and I bought our first house we bought it entirely based on my salary. We never doubted we wanted a family and we wanted to be a position where she had the option of being a full time mum if she wanted.
That was a very common attitude back in the 80's I suspect a lot of young couples these days will face much harder choices.

Decent jobs - what, its social worth? Or do we now measure the decency of a job by its wages, in which case the people most of us consider most despicable are to my surprise the most decent?

 

[MickiQ]

Decent jobs - what, its social worth? Or do we now measure the decency of a job by its wages, in which case the people most of us consider most despicable are to my surprise the most decent?

If you can persuade a building society to accept payment in "social worth" that's great let us know how you go on

 

[Pickman's model]

If you can persuade a building society to accept payment in "social worth" that's great let us know how you go on

So you mean two indecent full time jobs are still enough in most places

 

[MickiQ]

So you mean two indecent full time jobs are still enough in most places

You have this strange habit of trying to pick pointless arguments, would you like to debate how many angels can dance on the head of a pin? you know full well in what context I have used the word 'decent' to designate a wage that pays sufficient to meet housing costs whilst still leaving enough money to spend on other trivia like food and clothing.

 

[Pickman's model]

You have this strange habit of trying to pick pointless arguments, would you like to debate how many angels can dance on the head of a pin? you know full well in what context I have used the word 'decent' to designate a wage that pays sufficient to meet housing costs whilst still leaving enough money to spend on other trivia like food and clothing.

But you've just said one 'decent' job not enough. If you can't keep yourself consistent from one post to the next perhaps you should take a good hard look at the point you're trying to make and reconsider if it is worth stating.

 

[Artaxerxes]

 

[Pickman's model]

is there there is no end to the shitty deal the governments served up, which if it was a feb would be back with the chef instanter

 

[Badgers]

My heart bleeds for the Torygraph readers...

Dreams of retiring to sunnier climes have been dashed for many following Britain’s exit from the European Union. Bureaucratic complications, combined with the pandemic, have forced retirees to reconsider their plans, amid worries about losing state pension rights and access to healthcare....

Why the expat retirement dream could be gone forever

Sun-seeking pensioners no longer have the same rights following Brexit

www.telegraph.co.uk

 

[pseudonarcissus]

My heart bleeds for the Torygraph readers...

Why the expat retirement dream could be gone forever

Sun-seeking pensioners no longer have the same rights following Brexit

www.telegraph.co.uk

I had a read of that....I'm not sure they are taking about "natural torygraph readers", it seems to quote people that were not planning to engage a lawyer to deal with the bureaucracy, and were planning to be largely reliant on their state pensions.

It's only ordinary folk folk that seem to be affected, the rich will be fine.

 

[Yossarian]

Yep i think its mostly covid. People have been buying houses like its loo roll, and those that can't move are doing Stuff to the houses they're already in. I think that'll continue for at least a year or two as the covid-related divorces get processed and even more people move house.

Yep, the UK definitely isn't the only place where tradespeople have all the work they can handle - same thing is playing out in a lot of countries, some of which had been crying out for more tradespeople long before the pandemic. Australia etc. are probably going to redouble their efforts to attract skilled British workers once people can move around freely again.

It's obviously a good thing when wages are going up and workers are getting more power, but Britain might be one of the countries where those gains are shortest-lived following the pandemic - I wouldn't be surprised if the Johnson government rubber-stamped every single application it got from a company asking to bring in temporary workers from India or the Philippines or wherever because it couldn't find people who would work for what it was willing to pay.

 

[existentialist]

I think I may owe our Brexiteer friends a genuine vote of thanks. A million years ago, I agreed to help the ex get moved in when she bought her house in France - she's looking to move in in July. Because of how she's been, and my hardening attitude towards her antics, I am giving serious thought to breaking that promise.

But, thanks to Brexit, if I am to go out there, there are many forms to fill in and hoops to jump through, particularly as she has not yet completed on the place she's buying, so cannot provide proof of address, a necessary part for the "attestation". If, as seems possible, there's no way around that, then that's a dealbreaker right there.

Plus, with Covid, and France being on the "amber" list, I would have to quarantine for ten days on my return, and that's just not going to be happening - I am now working f2f again, part of the time, and I'm not prepared to take another 10 days away from work on her account.

So, thanks, Brexiteers! . Our economy may well be fucked as a result, and all the other delightful consequences of our act of national self-harm, but at least it looks like I'm going to have a plausible "somebody else's fault" excuse for backing out. The only possible downside was that I'd planned to tell her that I'm going for an indefinite "clean break", once I'd honoured my promise to help; I'll just have to do that by email or Zoom instead, now

 

[bimble]

Yep, the UK definitely isn't the only place where tradespeople have all the work they can handle - same thing is playing out in a lot of countries, some of which had been crying out for more tradespeople long before the pandemic. Australia etc. are probably going to redouble their efforts to attract skilled British workers once people can move around freely again.

It's obviously a good thing when wages are going up and workers are getting more power, but Britain might be one of the countries where those gains are shortest-lived following the pandemic - I wouldn't be surprised if the Johnson government rubber-stamped every single application it got from a company asking to bring in temporary workers from India or the Philippines or wherever because it couldn't find people who would work for what it was willing to pay.

Definitely, and the exemption lists or whatver its called, the thing they're doing to get fruit & veg pickers this Summer and so on, those will grow and grow i reckon, to include plumbers au pairs baristas whatever.

 

[StoneRoad]

Something like 18 months ago, I ordered some French linen for a specific job. [Having tried a couple of other fabrics and methods which just didn't work]. It was delivered promptly and with the minimum of fuss and paperwork.

Using this Linen was successful, thankfully, if more expensive than the non-working alternatives and the time wasted wasn't significant or even visible to the client.

Therefore, when doing something similar earlier this year we ordered some more linen, to go with the small amount left over from the first job. We had worked out how much was needed and gave ourselves plenty of time by ordering early.
However, what was supplied was insufficient, mainly because it was too narrow or too short to get the sizes/shapes required.
So, we ordered yet more fabric (with an allowance for the same factors "just in case").

The first amount delivered this year came within the supplier's "normal" timescale, and 'within the same period' was promised for the extra order.
However, we are still waiting, and now it is more than six weeks overdue.
Apparently, getting it exported needs WXYZ from the maker and getting it imported needs PQR for UK Customs ...
So, round and round goes the paperwork chase, and we are twiddling our thumbs, and our client is getting steadily more annoyed.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Yep, the UK definitely isn't the only place where tradespeople have all the work they can handle - same thing is playing out in a lot of countries, some of which had been crying out for more tradespeople long before the pandemic. Australia etc. are probably going to redouble their efforts to attract skilled British workers once people can move around freely again.

It's obviously a good thing when wages are going up and workers are getting more power, but Britain might be one of the countries where those gains are shortest-lived following the pandemic - I wouldn't be surprised if the Johnson government rubber-stamped every single application it got from a company asking to bring in temporary workers from India or the Philippines or wherever because it couldn't find people who would work for what it was willing to pay.

It's down to that cunt Blair and his 50% going to uni bollocks.

Get un-academic kids to learn a trade and they'll make a nice living.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

My heart bleeds for the Torygraph readers...

Why the expat retirement dream could be gone forever

Sun-seeking pensioners no longer have the same rights following Brexit

www.telegraph.co.uk

Ffs, applying for a visa = dream gone.

 

[two sheds]

It's down to that cunt Blair and his 50% going to uni bollocks.

Get un-academic kids to learn a trade and they'll make a nice living.

Whenever anyone young asks me what they should do in the future (happens all the time and when it doesn't I tell them anyway). "Get a ticket, young person, get a ticket"

 

[Pickman's model]

It's down to that cunt Blair and his 50% going to uni bollocks.

Get un-academic kids to learn a trade and they'll make a nice living.

Not to mention that cunt brown who doubled my tax from 10 to 20% and imposed the public sector pay freeze Osborne etc carried on

 

[Pickman's model]

Definitely, and the exemption lists or whatver its called, the thing they're doing to get fruit & veg pickers this Summer and so on, those will grow and grow i reckon, to include plumbers au pairs baristas whatever.

Don't think there'll be many coming from Europe this summer, what with the quarantine and variants and that.

 

[ska invita]

It's down to that cunt Blair and his 50% going to uni bollocks.

Get un-academic kids to learn a trade and they'll make a nice living.

Opening up access to universities was a great thing
No one is forced to go to university, the opportunity should be there for everyone

The Tories are successfully closing the door to broad access to university education and trying to return it to something for the rich/compliant productive workers only, so hooray for that

 

[ska invita]

Ffs, applying for a visa = dream gone.

its not just a visa you need shit tons of money

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

its not just a visa you need shit tons of money

(((people with second homes in Spain)))

 

[ska invita]

(((people with second homes in Spain)))

i dont know what you are talking about
isnt the topic about people retiring to Spain/the continent?
that isnt possible anymore unless you can prove income of huge amounts per year - 20 odd k a year for spain IIRC , (significantly less for Portugal according to 39th step, around £8k i think)

 

[existentialist]

Ffs, applying for a visa = dream gone.

The ex worked very hard to get out there before the Brexit door slammed. She's done pretty well - got her residence permit, is registered for tax, in the process of re-registering the car on French plates, etc. But the true mayhem of a post-Brexit life in France is only just dawning on her, and I think it's come as a bit of a shock: she's going to need to do all kinds of paperwork whenever any family come to stay,, and I am sure that we haven't seen it fully unfold in all its glory yet.

I think that, should we ever rejoin Europe, we should agree to do a brief (say, 3 month) Brexit every 5 years or so, just so that people who might have taken for granted all the conveniences that EU membership provided get a regular reminder of the downsides of leaving...

 

[editor]

(((people with second homes in Spain)))

Except it's about elderly people who have retired to Spain.

 

[bimble]

Don't think there'll be many coming from Europe this summer, what with the quarantine and variants and that.

looks like, if they still want to come, seasonal workers can get straight to work on the farm if staying in farm accommodation so thats generous.

[Withdrawn] Coming to England for seasonal agricultural, horticultural work or pork processing

Advice for seasonal agricultural, horticultural workers and pork butchers coming to England to work on farms or processing sites or at slaughterhouses, and their employers.

www.gov.uk