A thank you to Brexiteers.

[Jay Park]

(((Breadline bods retiring to Spain)))

cos heaven forbid

 

[Dystopiary]

For some people - some of the most disadvantaged in the UK - the idea of being able to get out of here and live somewhere else with little or no money was a bit of hope. That when trying to jump through hoops of fire to get a pittance off the state to live off became too much, or when the government decided to make it even harder to claim disability benefits, that rather than starve to death they could get out, try their luck at the mercy of the EU. People who can't work.

No chance of that now. Hardly a middle-class bougeois stance.

Waiting for someone who doesn't have to worry about this to come and pick holes in that argument.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

When was the last time I mentioned my 'poxy band' in this thread?

30th April, post 1537.

 

[Jay Park]

30th April, post 1537.

I happen to find creativity in people to be an admirable trait. Whilst we're on the topic of mentioning stuff we might be proud of, when was the last time you mentioned a certain German car manufacturer? Let's check

Search results for query: Audi

www.urban75.net

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

For some people - some of the most disadvantaged in the UK - the idea of being able to get out of here and live somewhere else with little or no money was a bit of hope. That when trying to jump through hoops of fire to get a pittance off the state to live off became too much, or when the government decided to make it even harder to claim disability benefits, that rather than starve to death they could get out, try their luck at the mercy of the EU. People who can't work.

No chance of that now. Hardly a middle-class bougeois stance.

Waiting for someone who doesn't have to worry about this to come and pick holes in that argument.

Could you please explain your point? Are you suggesting that some people reliant on disability state benefits saw the United Kingdom being a member of the European Union as some kind of hope?

 

[Jay Park]

Could you please explain your point? Are you suggesting that some people reliant on disability state benefits saw the United Kingdom being a member of the European Union as some kind of hope?

a certain increase in the quality of life, definitely.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

I happen to find creativity in people to be an admirable trait. Whilst we're on the topic of mentioning stuff we might be proud of, when was the last time you mentioned a certain German car manufacturer? Let's check

Search results for query: Audi

www.urban75.net

You were permanently banned for precisely this kind of creepy shit, somehow you have wormed your way back on and are doing the same shit. I un-ignored you after your supposed perma-ban and here you are again. No wonder people don’t bother with this site any more.

 

[Jay Park]

You were permanently banned for precisely this kind of creepy shit, somehow you have wormed your way back on and are doing the same shit. I un-ignored you after your supposed perma-ban and here you are again. No wonder people don’t bother with this site any more:

I think it's a little more nuanced than that, if indeed 'people don't bother with this site anymore'.

So you're saying that every Brit out there in the sun of Southern Europe, or anywhere else for that matter, were all benifit claiming, undeserving poor? Is that your stance? Just to clarify

 

[seeformiles]

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[seeformiles]

My step-mum who has lived in the U.K. for >30 years called me a few days after the vote. After calling her a cunt and shouting that she should fuck off from whence she came I advised her that the U.K. was leaving the EU and that at some point she would need to apply for U.K. residency, an online form and about £120. The sky didn’t fall in for her.

My Ma (with over 50 years living in the UK) had a somewhat different experience and was told by the Home Office it was far from certain that her application would succeed and kept her on tenterhooks for months. She was getting seriously worried about being deported and was making contingency plans to move in with her sister in Nuremberg. Not something the HO should have done to a woman of nearly 80.

 

[Flavour]

For some people - some of the most disadvantaged in the UK - the idea of being able to get out of here and live somewhere else with little or no money was a bit of hope. That when trying to jump through hoops of fire to get a pittance off the state to live off became too much, or when the government decided to make it even harder to claim disability benefits, that rather than starve to death they could get out, try their luck at the mercy of the EU. People who can't work.

No chance of that now. Hardly a middle-class bougeois stance.

Waiting for someone who doesn't have to worry about this to come and pick holes in that argument.

The average age and net worth of UK citizens residing in the EU are, i am quite sure, significanty higher than the UK average. There are some younger, poorer UK citizens in the EU but they are generally only to be found in a handful of cities (Berlin and Barcelona and Amsterdam above all), and in my experience they generally come from bigger cities in the UK to begin with.

There are almost no working class UK citizens from small post-industrial Northern towns making a decent living in the Ruhr Valley, much as Auf Wiedershein Pet might have wanted to make that seem like a real thing

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

My Ma (with over 50 years living in the UK) had a somewhat different experience and was told by the Home Office it was far from certain that her application would succeed and kept her on tenterhooks for months. She was getting seriously worried about being deported and was making contingency plans to move in with her sister in Nuremberg. Not something the HO should have done to a woman of nearly 80.

That the Home Office headed by Patel are cunts is no great shock. My step mum didn’t have to deal with them more than an online form and some money which seems the easiest route to take.

 

[seeformiles]

That the Home Office headed by Patel are cunts is no great shock. My step mum didn’t have to deal with them more than an online form and some money which seems the easiest route to take.

Ah - my Ma’s nearly blind so took the letter/phone route to be sure. Probably explains it.

 

[Spymaster]

My Ma (with over 50 years living in the UK) had a somewhat different experience and was told by the Home Office it was far from certain that her application would succeed and kept her on tenterhooks for months. She was getting seriously worried about being deported and was making contingency plans to move in with her sister in Nuremberg. Not something the HO should have done to a woman of nearly 80.

I’d be interested in details of this and why she was told that. In every other case that I’m aware of, getting pre-settled and settled status for long term residents has been little more than a formality. What reason did they give for telling her that?

 

[Artaxerxes]

The average age and net worth of UK citizens residing in the EU are, i am quite sure, significanty higher than the UK average. There are some younger, poorer UK citizens in the EU but they are generally only to be found in a handful of cities (Berlin and Barcelona and Amsterdam above all), and in my experience they generally come from bigger cities in the UK to begin with.

There are almost no working class UK citizens from small post-industrial Northern towns making a decent living in the Ruhr Valley, much as Auf Wiedershein Pet might have wanted to make that seem like a real thing

From ONS 2011

Country of residence	Total	Under 15 years	15 to 29 years	30 to 49 years	50 to 64 years	65 years and over
All EU members	890,299	83,589	90,044	280,042	247,501	189,105
Spain	308,805	25,625	24,205	64,450	93,475	101,045
France	157,062	20,674	14,976	42,543	48,727	30,141
Ireland	112,090	11,091	17,549	44,994	24,166	14,290
Germany	96,200	6,080	12,100	36,540	29,480	12,020

This sadly doesn't look at income or origins or take into account seasonal or temporary workers - likely lads/lasses who go abroad to work the cruises and resorts in summer. That 30-49 age bracket is interesting and suggests a fair few professional workers aside from Spain which is retired fucker central.

Afaik some of the problems with getting these figures are that the UK hasn't bothered checking exit stats or figures for several decades.

I'm seeing what I can find to get figures but the sites I can find are big on rhetoric short on facts.

e.g.

In our UK in a Changing Europe funded research talking Brexit, freedom of movement and citizenship with UK citizens living in the EU27, we have actively sought to ensure that the research addresses the diversity of age within this population. Testament to this is that 67% of our citizens’ panel—an element of the research that includes UK citizens living across the EU27—are between 20 and 60; in France and Spain, where we have been conducting interviews, recruitment has similarly succeeded in bringing students, young people raised in these countries, those migrating in pursuit of careers and relationships, into the frame. Our conversations with these populations highlight what freedom of movement—a central pillar of European integration—has meant for their lives, and the limits current agreements about citizens’ rights place on their ability to live their lives unchanged.

or the site

 

[Spymaster]

For some people - some of the most disadvantaged in the UK - the idea of being able to get out of here and live somewhere else with little or no money was a bit of hope. That when trying to jump through hoops of fire to get a pittance off the state to live off became too much, or when the government decided to make it even harder to claim disability benefits, that rather than starve to death they could get out, try their luck at the mercy of the EU. People who can't work.

No chance of that now. Hardly a middle-class bougeois stance.

Waiting for someone who doesn't have to worry about this to come and pick holes in that argument.

Where exactly in the EU were all these poor, working class people planning to live with little or no money?

 

[Artaxerxes]

Where exactly in the EU were all these poor, working class people planning to live with little or no money?

Living off the land, 100%

 

[bimble]

Where exactly in the EU were all these poor, working class people planning to live with little or no money?

There are large static caravan / bungalow parks on the south coast. I know one scouser in his early 60s who has one & was planning to move permanently into his, with his mrs, i don't know what they're doing now maybe they did it already. He is.. not posh but plan was to sell their terraced house in l'pool & use that to live off so they did have that. Not in good health tho.

 

[The39thStep]

Where exactly in the EU were all these poor, working class people planning to live with little or no money?

and no housing benefit

 

[Spymaster]

There are large static caravan / bungalow parks on the south coast.

The south coast of where?

 

[bimble]

The south coast of where?

spain, thats where his is anyway. i'm curious now will find out what he's up to.

 

[Flavour]

This sadly doesn't look at income or origins or take into account seasonal or temporary workers - likely lads/lasses who go abroad to work the cruises and resorts in summer. That 30-49 age bracket is interesting and suggests a fair few professional workers aside from Spain which is retired fucker central.

Thanks Artaxerxes that is quite interesting, albeit 10 year old data.

It would be interesting to see for example in France and Germany where exactly in the country those people are based. I'd imagine that the younger people in France tend to be more concentrated in the big cities (particularly Paris) while that older segment of retirees more likely to be in the countryside, and particularly the countryside in the South.

In Germany, unlike France/Italy/Spain there is zero culture of Brits going to retire there as it's just as expensive as the UK and the weather isn't as reliably better, so I'd imagine there's an even greater concentration in cities. Also a more concrete UK link to Germany via all the army brats born there who may have stayed there but retained UK citizenship -- there are several people on urban with connections to Germany for this very reason.

As for Ireland, without wishing to be dismissive, the data is not as relevant to this discussion as UK citizens retain the right to and work in Ireland (though as we can see, very very few people exercise this right)

 

[Spymaster]

spain, thats where his is anyway. i'm curious now will find out what he's up to.

Right. That's how most people have done it. They sell property and use those funds to live. Hardly poor people decamping to the EU utopia with nothing, and being welcomed with open arms.

 

[The39thStep]

There are large static caravan / bungalow parks on the south coast. I know one scouser in his early 60s who has one & was planning to move permanently into his, with his mrs, i don't know what they're doing now maybe they did it already. He is.. not posh but plan was to sell their terraced house in l'pool & use that to live off so they did have that. Not in good health tho.

So he owns a house in Liverpool and a static home somewhere on the south coast of Spain?

 

[bimble]

So he owns a house in Liverpool and a static home somewhere on the south coast of Spain?

yes. He must be loaded! I'm not up for a fight but the man's been working in his brother (my friend)'s tiny 2ndhand bookshop for years, for tea and a few quid. Was a builder before getting ill, wife a retired nurse. Absolutely loaded obvs, and if he doesnt get to move to his caravan in the sun fuck him etc.
I think tbh the main thing for people like them would be the healthcare issue, if they could still get free medical over there (i dont know what's happening with that) i imagine they've done the application and moved and if not not.

 

[seeformiles]

I’d be interested in details of this and why she was told that. In every other case that I’m aware of, getting pre-settled and settled status for long term residents has been little more than a formality. What reason did they give for telling her that?

I think it was just bad bureaucracy. She kept calling them for confirmation but was told her case was still being considered and that there was a backlog of younger more economically active cases to process (she still works part time) - but no assurances that her case was likely to be a problem or a foregone conclusion. She was especially worried as she’s the principal carer for my younger brother who has serious health problems. Shitty behaviour anyway.

 

[Spymaster]

yes. He must be loaded! I'm not up for a fight but the man's been working in his brother (my friend)'s tiny 2ndhand bookshop for years, for tea and a few quid. Was a builder before getting ill, wife a retired nurse. Absolutely loaded obvs, and if he doesnt get to move to his caravan in the sun fuck him etc.
I think tbh the main thing for people like them would be the healthcare issue, if they could still get free medical over there (i dont know what's happening with that) i imagine they've done the application and moved and if not not.

Still not sure I'd consider a bloke who owns two properties to be 'one of the most disadvantaged in the UK'.

 

[bimble]

Still not sure I'd consider a bloke who owns two properties to be 'one of the most disadvantaged in the UK'.

yeah, i did not mean to suggest he is that, he's not obvs.
I just put him here because the idea its just posh people who have long had the dream of living out their last bit somewhere sunny is wrong. I think the healthcare thing is the main issue, for non-loaded people of that age.

 

[pseudonarcissus]

There are almost no working class UK citizens from small post-industrial Northern towns making a decent living in the Ruhr Valley, much as Auf Wiedershein Pet might have wanted to make that seem like a real thing

There used to be back in the 80s and 90s. A lot of the welders I worked with when I was doing my apprenticeship had spent time in Germany. In the 90s I worked on a offshore project with stuff being made at HiFab at Stornaway..as soon as they got a job the skilled trades suddenly appeared back from Europe.
The skilled trades were killed by Thatcher and the end of apprenticeships. The guys that did work in Germany have probably retired to Spain by now and have been replaced by Eastern Europeans.

edited to remove the grocer's apostrophe...and auto correct problem, honest.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

I think tbh the main thing for people like them would be the healthcare issue, if they could still get free medical over there (i dont know what's happening with that) i imagine they've done the application and moved and if not not.

GHIC cards replace EHIC cards and he'd get treatment in Spain via that.