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A thank you to Brexiteers.

Never mind :)

It just grates whenever you come on and blame brexit voters for the balls up that is Northern Ireland. The whole fucking thing has been a balls up, but it's not brexit voters who are responsible - the bulk of them* (obviously not the left and people who inhabit urban) seem to have believed what Johnson and Farage et al told them, backed up by large portions of the media which for some godunknown reason many people (obviously not the left and people who inhabit urban) still seem to have faith in.

When you blame brexiters they're going to switch off and just not listen, Blame Johnson and Farage et al** - they're the ones who actually fucked it. Then people are likely to agree and take the points you're making.

* I didn't vote so don't give a shit one way or the other.
** Al he's the one really responsible :mad:
 
philosophical said:
Today there is a near general strike in Northern Ireland because the pay and the lives of people there are being negatively impacted by there being no devolved government in operation.
The vote for the whole of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland to leave the European Union has directly led to this situation. One argument is that power sharing won’t be agreed if the Unionists aren’t dominant, but in my view the real reason is the one the Unionists put forward about not wanting their region treated differently, or subject to different rules to somewhere in the rest of the UK like Somerset for example.
It all comes down to leave voters creating a significant border between two different systems on the island of Ireland.
Seven and a half years on and leave voters, including the self declared lexiters, have not solved the land border problem they created.
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There as me thinking Stormont got closed after shinnagins involving EU grants and corruption
 
I know it grates with Brexit voters and others.
Maybe Brexit voters are cool about saying they were being led mindlessly by the nose, because admitting they read the ballot paper and consciously made a mark on it is something they’re not cool about.
The civil society in Northern Ireland is fucked more than usual because of the vote, so I don’t care if the precious diddums leave voters are offended by my posts.
 
philosophical said:
Today there is a near general strike in Northern Ireland because the pay and the lives of people there are being negatively impacted by there being no devolved government in operation.
The vote for the whole of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland to leave the European Union has directly led to this situation. One argument is that power sharing won’t be agreed if the Unionists aren’t dominant, but in my view the real reason is the one the Unionists put forward about not wanting their region treated differently, or subject to different rules to somewhere in the rest of the UK like Somerset for example.
It all comes down to leave voters creating a significant border between two different systems on the island of Ireland.
Seven and a half years on and leave voters, including the self declared lexiters, have not solved the land border problem they created.
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unified Ireland would solve it:)
 
Ax^ said:
unified Ireland would solve it:)
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If that can happen peacefully.
My hatred for colonialism has to be tempered by recognising the reality. The unionist community have been around for hundreds of years and their perspective has to be taken into account in my view.
The GFA was a step forward but the vote to leave has undermined it.
 
TopCat said:
We won the vote. Laughing at you after all this time seems churlish.
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The Tories won the last general election, and far more comprehensively while we’re at it. I guess we should all stop complaining about how fucking shit this Tory government is and how inhuman their policies are, seeing as it’s the will of the majority.
 
T & P said:
The Tories won the last general election, and far more comprehensively while we’re at it. I guess we should all stop complaining about how fucking shit this Tory government is and how inhuman their policies are, seeing as it’s the will of the majority.
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To echo the first post on this thread, it's very kind of the Lexiteers not to rub our noses in all the benefits that have been achieved by all the victories they've won
 
T & P said:
The Tories won the last general election, and far more comprehensively while we’re at it. I guess we should all stop complaining about how fucking shit this Tory government is and how inhuman their policies are, seeing as it’s the will of the majority.
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Just to point out the obvious, the Tories didn't win a majority of votes, they won a majority of seats, so a Tory government isn't "the will of the majority" in the same way the result of a referendum is.

Personally, I'm cool with people complaining about any and all aspects of this and past Tory governments, including but certainly not limited to the shitshow of Brexit implementation.
 
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andysays said:
Just to point out the obvious, the Tories didn't win a majority of votes, the they won a majority of seats, so a Tory government isn't "the will of the majority" in the same way the result of a referendum is.

Personally, I'm cool with people moaning about all aspects of this and past Tories governments, including the shitshow of Brexit implementation.
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Uni of East Anglia had Leave as winning in 406 out of the 650 constituencies as well, had it been done that way. It wasn't. but just for balance
 
PTK said:
No, it would not, because businesses in Northern Ireland would still have prolems trading with Britain.
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you are aware that ATM north Ireland is half out and half in of the EU.

so has all the problems already of dealing with the UK.. a custom entry is required on TTS entry system when good arrive at the port so might as well be in the EU

it why the DUP are crying like little bitches and want a hard border in Ireland so they can complain about republicans when it's blow up :hmm:

the Windsor frame work made soft export and import lanes and they are still not happy

shame the took the billion and voted for the bloody thing
 
The problems that businesses in Norhtern Ireland have with trading with Britain arise because it is in effect in the EU. Uniting with the Republic would not remove that problem. Trading between the six counties and Britain would still be subject to the checks it is subject to now.
 
it would return a functional government to the Providence one that is not held up a salty group of orange men who agreed to a deal they did not want

they current holding out for another few billion and then will reject power sharing again
 
tony.c said:
Port Talbot steelworker regrets voting for Brexit.

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Around 99.9% (400,000) of the jobs lost in steel while the UK was in the EU and were lost well before Brexit. The majority demanded by the EU Steel and Coal Community.

Leaving the EU sweeps away any restrictions on state aid meaning that it’s a question of political will only as to whether Port Talbot receives it.
 
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Smokeandsteam said:
Around 99.9% (400,000) of the jobs lost in steel while the UK was in the UK and were lost well before Brexit. The majority demanded by the EU Steel and Coal Community.

Leaving the EU sweeps away any restrictions on state aid meaning that it’s a question of political will only as to whether Port Talbot receives it.
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citation needed
 
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