A thank you to Brexiteers.

[Pickman's model]

That they are, but Brexit is all about finding new markets IIRC. And of course we will, Brexit won't harm our death industry that much, or for that long. We're buccaneers and always were! Huzzah!

Let what happened to for instance those keen buccaneers purser and clinton happen to their more atrocious successors sunak and johnson

 

[gentlegreen]

Northern Ireland is going to end up being Brexit madness defined in so many ways ...

Spoiler: Max Robespierre :-Have The DUP Found A Way Around Their Own Problem?

Jeffrey Donaldson the DUP leader spoke to Newsline about a panel he has setup to review the party's way forward when it comes to accepting or rejecting the Windsor Framework. The panel which includes ex-DUP leaders and some MLA, had also some business people involved for the first time and other stakeholders. Having painted themselves into a corner over the NI Protocol could this be just want Donaldson needs to get him out of this fix?

 

[philosophical]

I see the Irish border problem is still an issue nearly seven years after Lexiters and others voted leave.

Here is news today.

https://www.itv.com/news/utv/2023-03-14/sir-jeffrey-donaldson-says-fundamental-problems-created-by-ni-protocol-remain

I love it when leave voters say they were promised xy or z and it is up to the politicians to deliver, nothing to do with their vote.

Oh yeah?

I see it as more akin to those voters believing you can have everlasting life if you vote for it, some other person will make it happen, no worries.

Nearly seven years.

 

[bimble]

Its not the voters fault its the conservative party who is responsible for deciding to do their stupid referendum in the first place, they only did it to try to resolve their internal party issues, blame them, the people who printed the idiotic 'do you want to leave yes or no' voting slips without even ever trying to say what 'leave' might mean.

 

[philosophical]

Funnily enough the referendum being a stupid one isn’t something I have heard expressed by Lexiters. They seem to relish the threat to Irish peace.
They declare ‘let there be a United Ireland’ like a French aristo saying ‘let them eat cake’ as they try to retrofit their justification for actually being nasty poseurs.

 

[bimble]

Everyone's free to direct their anger as they see fit of course, i just have a lot of it for the governing party of the uk at the moment, so the 3 or 4 devout 'lexiteers' that exist in the world get a pass this week.
I think you can trace the current horror show of the 'stop the boats' campaign directly to the referendum and to brexit, they're out of ideas so they're doing that, blame an external enemy again, its just even worse now than it was when they did it 2016.

 

[danny la rouge]

I see the Irish border problem is still an issue nearly seven years after Lexiters and others voted leave.

Here is news today.

https://www.itv.com/news/utv/2023-03-14/sir-jeffrey-donaldson-says-fundamental-problems-created-by-ni-protocol-remain

I love it when leave voters say they were promised xy or z and it is up to the politicians to deliver, nothing to do with their vote.

Oh yeah?

I see it as more akin to those voters believing you can have everlasting life if you vote for it, some other person will make it happen, no worries.

Nearly seven years.

It’s interesting looking in at someone who seems to support parliamentary democracy but doesn’t understand how it works. Voters are meant to vote and then butt the fuck out until the next election. Read your Edmund Burke.

Of course, as an anarchist, that’s precisely my problem with representative democracy. But you’re meant to support that stuff: “Your representative owes you, not his industry only, but his judgment; and he betrays instead of serving you if he sacrifices it to your opinion”.

 

[philosophical]

The referendum was not a vote for a representative in a Parliament.

 

[danny la rouge]

The referendum was not a vote for a representative in a Parliament.

It was for Parliament to consult the electorate on the question as put on the voting paper. It’s been 7 years now. You should have had time to get your head around it.

 

[philosophical]

It was for Parliament to consult the electorate on the question as put on the voting paper. It’s been 7 years now. You should have had time to get your head around it.

I believe you are wrong.
Voters were presented with leave or remain and leave won.

 

[brogdale]

The referendum was not a vote for a representative in a Parliament.

If blame is to be apportioned to the electorate, IMO those most culpable are the 11,299,609 credulous tools who voted Tory in 2015 knowing that they were voting for their election pledge to bring forward "a straight in-out referendum on our membership of the European Union by the end of 2017".

 

[danny la rouge]

I believe you are wrong.

About what? That in a parliamentary democracy the parliament does the legislating?

Voters were presented with leave or remain and leave won.

Yes. I’m not disagreeing on that point. It was in the news and stuff.

 

[danny la rouge]

If blame is to be apportioned to the electorate

It’s not blame that Phil is on about, though. He actually wants Leave voters to come up with a solution for the NI border with the Republic. The voters.

That really, really, really isn’t how it works.

 

[two sheds]

I'm not sure he even wants a solution, rather someone he can blame.

 

[philosophical]

It’s not blame that Phil is on about, though. He actually wants Leave voters to come up with a solution for the NI border with the Republic. The voters.

That really, really, really isn’t how it works.

You're right in that is what I want.
Because it is unlikely that remain voters have a solution.
You say that's not how things work which in a poetic kind of way is true, because leave hasn't worked.

 

[brogdale]

It’s not blame that Phil is on about, though. He actually wants Leave voters to come up with a solution for the NI border with the Republic. The voters.

That really, really, really isn’t how it works.

True.

 

[danny la rouge]

You're right in that is what I want.
Because it is unlikely that remain voters have a solution.

That is nonsense.

You say that's not how things work which in a poetic kind of way is true, because leave hasn't worked.

Well, it did “work”. The question put was “Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?” Leave won. The UK left. So, yup. It worked.

 

[philosophical]

The whole of the UK hasn't left on equal terms which is what I believe was meant by the wording on the ballot paper.

 

[not a trot]

The whole of the UK hasn't left on equal terms which is what I believe was meant by the wording on the ballot paper.

Should have given every voter a free crystal ball with their ballot paper.

 

[danny la rouge]

The whole of the UK hasn't left on equal terms which is what I believe was meant by the wording on the ballot paper.

Well, there was no prepared plan so what was meant is open to interpretation.

 

[bimble]

i have an outspoken bregretter next door now. I'm glad, in a way, but also respect him for saying so, thats not an easy thing to do.

 

[brogdale]

i have an outspoken bregretter next door now. I'm glad, in a way, but also respect him for saying so, thats not an easy thing to do.

It's an interesting position; makes you wonder what they thought would happen.

 

[bimble]

It's an interesting position; makes you wonder what they thought would happen.

At the time (not at the time, about 3 years ago) i remember him saying he thought there were probably too many immigrants and also that he expected nothing much would change after brexit, by which he meant in his own life, he thought it wouldn't impact him personally. Now he's trying to figure out if he can move to Portugal.

 

[brogdale]

At the time (not at the time, about 3 years ago) i remember him saying he thought there were probably too many immigrants and also that he expected nothing much would change after brexit, by which he meant in his own life, he thought it wouldn't impact him personally. Now he's trying to figure out if he can move to Portugal.


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I see; sounds like a bit of an arsehole

 

[ska invita]

What's happened to the breakthrough Ireland deal?

 

[philosophical]

It is the 25 anniversary of the Belfast Agreement in about 3 weeks.
An agreement Lexiters and others voted to undermine.

 

[Karl Masks]

What's happened to the breakthrough Ireland deal?

aren't the DUP taking their time to check it through find lawyers daft enough to pick holes and then carry on blocking democracy?

 

[gentlegreen]

aren't the DUP taking their time to check it through find lawyers daft enough to pick holes and then carry on blocking democracy?

 

[philosophical]

aren't the DUP taking their time to check it through find lawyers daft enough to pick holes and then carry on blocking democracy?

The problem is that the fucking DUP are demanding ‘democracy’ in that they expect the motherland to honour the leave victory.

 

[tommers]

At the time (not at the time, about 3 years ago) i remember him saying he thought there were probably too many immigrants and also that he expected nothing much would change after brexit, by which he meant in his own life, he thought it wouldn't impact him personally. Now he's trying to figure out if he can move to Portugal.


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Fucking idiot.