A thank you to Brexiteers.

[The39thStep]

11 to 17. I was allowed to stay up late to watch by-election results and all that so I was quite the nerd about news and politics. My grandad had been a miner from 14 to retirement so I knew all about this big bad creature called "Thatcher" soon enough!

I'm no Tory (he says, hastily). I just remember hearing him try to find consensus on everything while his party fell apart around him. And given where we are now, I'd be happy with consensus rather than extremists.

I think he may have tried to find consensus within the Tory party but that was because of Thatchers early retirement due to the coup. The consensus that he sought wasn't about the end of Thatcherism or a consensus Labour or with trade unions ( Thatcher had finished them off) . It wasnt even a consensus on the public sector ., Major actually reduced civil service costs, expanded marketisation, and continued Thatchers 'reform ' programme. Despite criticisms of her abrasive style and internally divisive style Major continued the Thatcherite model. As a Tory commentator said at the time the Conservative Party “wanted Thatcherism pursued by non-Thatcherite means. Major delivered that and then suffered one of the biggest defeats a Tory government has ever had in the elections.

 

[gentlegreen]

Another idiot Tory MP points to Northern Ireland as a Brexshit success ... and it will be - as mainland British businesses relocate there in desperation.
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And the south will doubtless do well too - you already need an income of 40k to emigrate there - maybe because you get an Irish/EU passport after 3 years of residence.

Spoiler: Femi Oluwole video - "Tory MP Chris Heaton-Harris is question about the economic damage of Brexit on Sophy Ridge" ( Sky News )

 

[Doppelgänger]

Another idiot Tory MP points to Northern Ireland as a Brexshit success ... and it will be - as mainland British businesses relocate there in desperation.
.
And the south will doubtless do well too - you already need an income of 40k to emigrate there - maybe because you get an Irish/EU passport after 3 years of residence.

Spoiler: Femi Oluwole video - "Tory MP Chris Heaton-Harris is question about the economic damage of Brexit on Sophy Ridge" ( Sky News )

Who needs 40k (£??) to emigrate where?

 

[gentlegreen]

Who needs 40k (£??) to emigrate where?

Someone in a video happened to mention the free passport after 3 years bit so I visited an Irish government website.
I know British don't need a visa to live there, but I'm fairly sure I read the 40k bit correctly ...
Though maybe I misread because when Brexshit happened I had people suggest I move to ireland instead of France...

EDIT:-
OK so perhaps British residents are exempt because of the Common Travel Area - but there must be a minimum income requirement - France demands their minimum wage - 19K, the UK demands 25k I think

I checked again and it's 50K for non-EU citizens...

 

[Doppelgänger]

Someone in a video happened to mention the free passport after 3 years bit so I visited an Irish government website.
I know British don't need a visa to live there, but I'm fairly sure I read the 40k bit correctly ...
Though maybe I misread because when Brexshit happened I had people suggest I move to ireland instead of France...

EDIT:-
OK so perhaps British residents are exempt because of the Common Travel Area - but there must be a minimum income requirement - France demands their minimum wage - 19K, the UK demands 25k I think

I checked again and it's 50K for non-EU citizens...

It's not British residents who are exempt, but British citizens. Of course if you are an EU citizen, you can go live or retire in any EU country.

 

[spitfire]

Never heard of anyone with a British passport needing a minimum wage requirement to live in Ireland. My mum did it for at least 20 years before she went for her citizenship.

That doesn't mean it doesn't exist but I am not aware of it and know plenty of people who have lived there and here, never been mentioned.

 

[Ax^]

you can travel and live in Ireland and the UK since the partition of Ireland .. called the common travel area

it's the cost of living in Ireland that'll scare you off

 

[Doppelgänger]

you can travel and live in Ireland and the UK since the partition of Ireland .. called the common travel area

it's the cost of living in Ireland that'll scare you off

At least you can buy a tomato though.

 

[krtek a houby]

Another idiot Tory MP points to Northern Ireland as a Brexshit success ... and it will be - as mainland British businesses relocate there in desperation.
.
And the south will doubtless do well too - you already need an income of 40k to emigrate there - maybe because you get an Irish/EU passport after 3 years of residence.

Spoiler: Femi Oluwole video - "Tory MP Chris Heaton-Harris is question about the economic damage of Brexit on Sophy Ridge" ( Sky News )

Mainland?

 

[Pickman's model]

Mainland?

How people in Siberia refer to European Russia

 

[gentlegreen]

Mainland?

How people in Siberia refer to European Russia

Well there is a bit of water between NI and UK.

 

[Pickman's model]

Well there is a bit of water between NI and UK.

There's very little water between the six counties and the twenty-six

 

[gentlegreen]

There's very little water between the six counties and the twenty-six

I give up.

 

[spitfire]

oops

 

[Pickman's model]

We don’t like it when people refer to the UK as the mainland. It diminishes Ireland to a satellite of Britain.

I’m sure you meant no harm but it’s a bugbear.

You seem to have quoted my post in error for gentlegreen's, as you'll surely see if you look again at my post that I am ridiculing his use of the irritating term

 

[spitfire]

Well there is a bit of water between NI and UK.

We don’t like it when people refer to the UK as the mainland. It diminishes Ireland to a satellite of Britain.

I’m sure you meant no harm but it’s a bugbear.

 

[spitfire]

You seem to have quoted my post in error for gentlegreen's, as you'll surely see if you look again at my post that I am ridiculing his use of the irritating term

Sorry was on my phone, fixed now.

 

[gentlegreen]

Sorry I should have put "mainland" in quotes.

If NI was "separate", it certainly is now.
The whole island of Ireland is now in a unique economic position - not just a centre of potential dodgy, cross-border shenanigans as it was in the past, (with its weird red / green customs lanes), but also a glaring advert for the insanity of Brexshit a short boat-ride away ...
Isle of Man on steroids ?

 

[bimble]

Wincanton shares plummet after it loses post-Brexit customs contract

London-listed group will no longer manage UK border points at Holyhead and Sevington

www.ft.com

 

[brogdale]

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Wincanton shares plummet after it loses post-Brexit customs contract

London-listed group will no longer manage UK border points at Holyhead and Sevington

www.ft.com

reprendre le contrôle

 

[TopCat]

Due to Brexit the UK won't be making millions of bullets and shells for use in war. UK arms manufacturers profits will be hit, with the wealth of their shareholders diminished.

UK will miss out on EU’s ‘massive’ increase in arms spending for Ukraine

Only EU and Norwegian firms will be able to take advantage of joint procurement agreement, says leaked paper

www.theguardian.com

 

[gentlegreen]

Due to Brexit the UK won't be making millions of bullets and shells for use in war. UK arms manufacturers profits will be hit, with the wealth of their shareholders diminished.

UK will miss out on EU’s ‘massive’ increase in arms spending for Ukraine

Only EU and Norwegian firms will be able to take advantage of joint procurement agreement, says leaked paper

www.theguardian.com

That surely is going to hit the Tories where it hurts ?

 

[Pickman's model]

That surely is going to hit the Tories where it hurts ?

Sadly it won't, the chances of them receiving a richly deserved bullet in the neck are still remote

 

[sleaterkinney]

Can anyone guess what objections the DUP might have to this? It’s too good it’s two different to the rest of the UK?

They would have an SF first minister.

 

[Yossarian]

I thought British arms plants were already working at capacity

UK Asks BAE to Ramp Up Artillery Shell Production Amid Ukraine Drawdown

The UK government has asked BAE Systems to increase artillery shell production to replenish dwindling stocks due to its supply to Ukraine.

www.thedefensepost.com

 

[mojo pixy]

Due to Brexit the UK won't be making millions of bullets and shells for use in war. UK arms manufacturers profits will be hit, with the wealth of their shareholders diminished.

UK will miss out on EU’s ‘massive’ increase in arms spending for Ukraine

Only EU and Norwegian firms will be able to take advantage of joint procurement agreement, says leaked paper

www.theguardian.com

I expect we will, we just won't do it under the auspices of that specific arrangement. After all, the UK is a past master at muscling in on (and profiting from) other people's wars. We don't need the EU for that, any more than we ever did before.

 

[Pickman's model]

I expect we will, we just won't do it under the auspices of that specific arrangement. After all, the UK is a past master at muscling in on (and profiting from) other people's wars. We don't need the EU for that, any more than we ever did before.

They're a great market tho

 

[mojo pixy]

They're a great market tho

That they are, but Brexit is all about finding new markets IIRC. And of course we will, Brexit won't harm our death industry that much, or for that long. We're buccaneers and always were! Huzzah!

 

[ska invita]

Due to Brexit the UK won't be making millions of bullets and shells for use in war. UK arms manufacturers profits will be hit, with the wealth of their shareholders diminished.

UK will miss out on EU’s ‘massive’ increase in arms spending for Ukraine

Only EU and Norwegian firms will be able to take advantage of joint procurement agreement, says leaked paper

www.theguardian.com

will come out of our taxes instead more likely

 

[Yossarian]

Doesn't sound like BAE Systems shareholders will be sobbing and cursing Brexit in the near future

BAE Systems: UK arms maker enjoys record year for new orders as West's defence spending rises amid Ukraine war

Two of the UK's big engineering companies, BAE Systems and aircraft engine maker Rolls-Royce, posted strong annual results.

news.sky.com