A thank you to Brexiteers.

[Ax^]

When a government cannot be voted in or out, the electorate have problems.

looks at the house of lords

 

[philosophical]

When a government cannot be voted in or out, the electorate have problems.

It is possible you are unaware of National and European Parliament elections that have taken place.
As I say, possibly clunky, but Europeans voted the EU leadership in, and can vote them out.
The electorate had no particular problems with that form of democracy.

 

[philosophical]

No. When it's time for a general election, the electorate get to have a choice. You couldn't remove the EU. Yes, I know we eventually did, but not in an easy way. When a general election is announced, it's a matter of months to its conclusion, not years. Or rather decades, if you take it from the last time we were asked a similar question on Europe - 1975.

Are you aware how the governance of the EU is created?

 

[philosophical]

There is over 700 members in the EU parliament, we didn't get to vote on 90%. In the Council, we didn't get to vote on 27 of its members. We didn't get a say on the executive Commission. And people in the UK complain of a Tory majority in our UK parliament. Well, it isn't a 90% majority. Yet re-joiners see no conflict in that.

Countries definitely do cede power and sovereignty. You couldn't have a unity of 28 nations without giving up the concept of self. But do you think any of the other countries would be thinking of the UK, and not themselves. The EU is a nonsense.

There are 650 members of Parliament and you only get to vote on one of them.
The UK absolutely got a say on EU commissioners.

 

[Barbary]

some of them are

And your point is? They must be of the non-dissident types.

 

[Barbary]

Well no, we're only really talking about nationalist supporters here, aren't we, not "the Scottish". As I understand the nationalists' position, they desire independence from the UK and wish to apply to rejoin the supra state involving the shared sovereignty that existed pre-Brexit.

That's the picture I get. They can't be interested in independence.

 

[Pickman's model]

And your point is? They must be of the non-dissident types.

there are eu citizens living in china. simple statement of fact.

 

[Barbary]

No. You’re supposed to accept that this is what you wanted, and it’s what everyone got. You can’t say nobody told you it would be a fucking mess, because it was pointed out the whole way along.

It isn't a mess. It's what you get when there is upheaval, a pandemic and a war in Ukraine.

 

[bimble]

That's the picture I get. They can't be interested in independence.

Yeah, similar to the silly Ukrainians and their desire to join the EU eh.

 

[Barbary]

There are 650 members of Parliament and you only get to vote on one of them.

And when all the voting is over, you'll have either changed the government or changed the balance in parliament. All done by UK voters - 100%.

 

[Barbary]

Yeah, similar to the silly Ukrainians and their desire to join the EU eh.

I wouldn't wish that on them.

 

[bimble]

I wouldn't wish that on them.

Yeah you should explain it to them cos they’re obviously in need of your greater wisdom.

 

[Barbary]

there are eu citizens living in china. simple statement of fact.

They are probably familiar with the lack of democracy there.

 

[Pickman's model]

They are probably familiar with the lack of democracy there.

not to mention the lack of democracy here

 

[Barbary]

looks at the house of lords

I understand. It isn't ideal. But It isn't the EU, and the EU no longer figures.

 

[teqniq]

It isn't a mess. It's what you get when there is upheaval, a pandemic and a war in Ukraine.

Laughable. It isn't that the whole Brexit thing has been woefully mishandled by the vermin it's all these other extraneous factors without which all would have been sunlit uplands.

 

[Barbary]

not to mention the lack of democracy here

You sometimes can't have just what you want, because you think you should. Would you like the Tories to remain in power indefinitely, in a similar fashion to the EU?

 

[Elpenor]

Thanks for the greeting. I'm from a boating planet (forum), and they moan like crazy, if politics is stealing their thunder.

What are your views on shooting hysterical people on boats?

 

[Barbary]

Laughable. It isn't that the whole Brexit thing has been woefully mishandled by the vermin it's all these other extraneous factors without which all would have been sunlit uplands.

Heard it all before. Re-joiners love to forget the pandemic, the war in Ukraine, and that gift of the banking crisis, which deregulation helped cause. The fact that the EU employs an undemocratic system is just another form of deregulation.

 

[Pickman's model]

You sometimes can't have just what you want, because you think you should. Would you like the Tories to remain in power indefinitely, in a similar fashion to the EU?

you seem to think this means something but it doesn't

 

[Barbary]

What are your views on shooting hysterical people on boats?

It's against the law. So is strangling re-joiners.

 

[Barbary]

you seem to think this means something but it doesn't

I have no idea what your understanding is, based on that unspecific comment.

 

[Ax^]

I understand. It isn't ideal. But It isn't the EU, and the EU no longer figures.

 

[T & P]

Brexit has been the biggest peacetime cunting catastrophe in the entire history of this country outside of the fucking Plague. Even ardent Brexiteers don't pretend anymore it's otherwise (even if still mantaining it could have been done right- LOL, but let's park that for now). To pretend that everything is not going badly is next-level WTAF. Well done.

 

[bimble]

when did remoaners get renamed rejoiners? Its very recent isn't.

 

[Pickman's model]

I have no idea what your understanding is, based on that unspecific comment.

your post 13847 is devoid of meaning. please rephrase and try again.

 

[Smokeandsteam]

I'm from a boating planet

That's interesting. Most of the posters on this thread are from planet remain.

 

[Barbary]

Brexit has been the biggest peacetime cunting catastrophe in the entire history of this country outside of the fucking Plague. Even ardent Brexiteers don't pretend anymore it's otherwise (even if still mantaining it could have been done right- LOL, but let's park that for now). To pretend that everything is not going badly is next-level WTAF. Well done.

No it hasn't been a catastrophe. The re-joiners don't get it, but that means nothing. They're not too well clued up on a lot matters. They get right into the profanities quick.

 

[Barbary]

your post 13847 is devoid of meaning. please rephrase and try again.

How can you tell it has no meaning? How do I know what you perspective is. What part has no meaning? You must have some understanding to reach the conclusion it has no meaning.

 

[T & P]

No it hasn't been a catastrophe. The re-joiners don't get it, but that means nothing. They're not too well clued up on a lot matters. They get right into the profanities quick.