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Or "Fortress EU" racists.
A thank you to Brexiteers.
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Or "Fortress EU" racists.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Just so
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
God knows but it's like a plague
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
It's not so much that as you get racist-supporting twats like masks turn up and deploy arguments first proposed in 2016 only in a far less interesting or coherent fashion than they were laid out then or in 2017 and 2018
TopCat
Putin fanboy
It's the same but with a bit more arrogance.
sleaterkinney
Well-Known Member
As in I could score the winning goal in the World Cup. That sort of idea.
Karl Masks
Birds Angel Delight
Remain didn't crash our economy. You had two choices only and this was the least worst
The choice was either support people like THeresa May, who is nowhere near as dangerous as Steve Bannon or Putin or even Farage, or support them. NO other option was on the table so whoever you sided with you sided with scumbags. But if you don't see a difference between May and Bannon then you aren't fit to listen to.
Idiots like Eddie Dempsey didn't go around telling people to reject (and thus remain) the refernedum. They should have done this by correctly recognising it was not in working class interests to leave the EU and would only embolden the grifters they were listening to.
So again: what benefits can you point to?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
The difference between May and bannon is May created the 'hostile atmosphere' and the Windrush scandal. See you're unapologetic about your choice of racist
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Frothing
Karl Masks
Birds Angel Delight
this is just tone policing
Karl Masks
Birds Angel Delight
A complete lack of critical thinking. You obviously don't know who Steve Bannon is and yet here you are bloviating
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
Too wet to play with the traffic lights today....
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
I know entirely who Steve Bannon is. And he has never been in government in the UK. You point to bannon and putin and ignore the real racist remain shits who have made so many people's lives a misery in this country. The drowning and deaths the eu has presided over. There's only one of us with a want of thinking, critical or otherwise, and it's you
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
He demanded evidence of the racist EU Border Policy a while ago after one of his pompous outbursts. It was supplied, but clearly not read. His enthusiastic support for those responsible for actual existing racist government policy in the UK, and rage at the fantasies of long busted flush Bannon (a political nonentity in the UK), is revealing.
Karl Masks
Birds Angel Delight
Argues for nuance....complains about nuance....doesn't understand the concept of supporting the least worst option when no other option is on the table. Welcome to radical politics in Britain.
bimble
floofy
Show me a better place to come for an instant on tap argument, any time of the day, for free.
Karl Masks
Birds Angel Delight
How has us leaving the EU defeated the policy you allege exists (it may, it may not, I'm not convinced of your understanding given you fall for easy lies told by your enemies)?
Does Bannon have to be a political entity in the UK or does what happens to the US have no bearing on anywhere else? Hard to argue that he is a nonentity given he persuaded you to vote against your own interests so completely. Crippling budget on the way, economy in the toilet, worst performance in the G7, lies told and believed (broadly) about the vaccine, the rise of vicious private media interests stoking up cultural wars (GB, Talk TV), but granny hasn't heard of Steve Bannon so he's not an issue.
You're all over the place
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
On point 1: the answer is that it is not possible for the UK to ‘defeat’ the racist EU border policy. However, the historic decision to dump the flaccid failing neo-liberal construct means that we are no longer subject to it.
On point 2: huge LoL. Not even sure Talk TB and GB news existed at the time of the referendum but, hey, don’t let that stop you..
By the way, are you David Clapson? The sneering ‘Granny doesn’t know Steve Bannon’ suggests you share the same laughably misplaced superiority complex..
bimble
floofy
The argument that says remoaners are the real racists is one of my favourites tbh, I admire it because its got just enough truth to it (why should europeans have any more right to come here than anyone else, isn't it great that we now have more immigrants than before and most from the global south instead of from next door) whilst also brazenly ignoring the fact that if it were not for the full on racists (breaking point poster etc) this great step forwards would never have been possible.
sleaterkinney
Well-Known Member
Hang on, it was perfectly possible to strike whatever deals and give visas to whomever we wanted while we were in the EU.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
I've got used to you
bimble
floofy
To look at this country and its conversation about immigrants and try to argue that brexit dealt a blow to the racism the UK was forced to enact by the nasty EU, that is kind of admirably deluded.
People didn’t vote to control are borders because they were fed up with most of the immigrants being white.
People didn’t vote to control are borders because they were fed up with most of the immigrants being white.
I think piss taking at some of the pro Brexit business gobs on sticks who are now saying it's all terrible is fine TBH.
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
As usual Bimble the truth is somewhat more complex than your binary statements. There is plenty of evidence that some people did vote to leave for that precise reason. Several people I work with voted leave precisely for that reason.
Why do some ethnic minority voters want to leave the EU?
Polls suggest most BAME voters favour remain, but there are fears about eastern European migrants, the arrival of neo-Nazis and pressures on poor communities
The British Asian vote for Brexit contains a few surprises
Months on from the EU referendum, our understanding of the Leave vote is still patchy in certain areas. We’ve learnt that older people and the less affluent were more likely to choose Brexit, but w…
blogs.lse.ac.uk
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bimble
floofy
At the time of the referendum 77% of people said they wanted to see fewer immigrants in total numbers let into the country so I'm not totally convinced that the main driver was a desire to replace the french with people from pakistan or whatver.
Like i said, I find the attempt to argue that Remoan was the real racist's choice impressive, please continue.
Like i said, I find the attempt to argue that Remoan was the real racist's choice impressive, please continue.
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
As I said binary statements rarely give us the whole picture, even your chat indicates the complexity demonstrating a clear hierarchy of migrant among leavers and remainers…
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
But the majority didn't. Most BAME people voted remain. In my bit of London, it was about 80% remain. I can guarantee you that most of my Bengali neighbours didn't vote remain because they love the EU or feel themselves to be European or any of that guff. More than anything, they were voting against the racists.As usual Bimble the truth is somewhat more complex than your binary statements. There is plenty of evidence that some people did vote to leave for that precise reason. Several people I work with voted leave precisely for that reason.
Why do some ethnic minority voters want to leave the EU?
Polls suggest most BAME voters favour remain, but there are fears about eastern European migrants, the arrival of neo-Nazis and pressures on poor communitieswww.theguardian.com
The British Asian vote for Brexit contains a few surprises
Months on from the EU referendum, our understanding of the Leave vote is still patchy in certain areas. We’ve learnt that older people and the less affluent were more likely to choose Brexit, but w…
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
Who said they did?
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Who cares how someone you know voted and the reasons for it? If you're trying to work out what this stuff means, you need to engage with who voted for what and why at a large scale. It's disingenuous not to start there.
And it's also worth repeating here that in the months after the referendum, it was precisely places like this one, which massively rejected Brexit, that suffered from the emboldening of racists. Open racism in the streets in a way that had not happened for years before. And guess what? We could all see that was coming. Did you see it? Did you even give a shit?
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