Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
I do not have Nostradamus like qualities, otherwise I'd play the lottery. Who knows, without your type in the Labour Party we could have had Corbyn and McDonnell in charge eh?
ETA: Another EU/ECB fan clubber.
A thank you to Brexiteers.
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I do not have Nostradamus like qualities, otherwise I'd play the lottery. Who knows, without your type in the Labour Party we could have had Corbyn and McDonnell in charge eh?
ETA: Another EU/ECB fan clubber.
Ax^
Silly Rabbit
Because everyone knows that paid holidays didn't exist until the EU created them
aye but the EU not the secretary of state for business ya plank
ska invita
back on the other side
Yeah the political trajectory was Writ Very Large and was literally-physically sickening but the argument at the time was short term pain for long term gain...hold tight riders here we go
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
No it wasn't. On both points.
ska invita
back on the other side
if you say so
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
if you say so
What actually happened then says so. At the time the expectation was that Corbyn would win the next election. That's what people were focused on.
ska invita
back on the other side
i told you what happened, lexiters argued here that the long term gains are worth it and if you want to fuck with the system then thats necessary short term pain
...meanwhile the atmosphere here in London ahead of the referendum was one of racial/ethnic tension driven by explicit waves of Brexit ethnonationalism, felt keenly by those on the sharp end - it was fucking vile and the day after when the shouts of We Voted Leave Now Leave rang out on the streets it was worse than feared. The direction of travel was WRIT LARGE.
Ax^
Silly Rabbit
oh yes it was !!
teqniq
DisMembered
The pain looks very much to be long-term, particularly with the vermin in charge. Who would have guessed?
Karl Masks
Birds Angel Delight
What did you think would have happened had Labour won in 2017 wrt to the effects of Brexit?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
oh no it isn't
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
I was posting on here at the time. I don’t remember any supporter of leaving the EU argue that.
As for the ‘atmosphere’ in London you report I don’t live there so I can’t say how accurate this latest recollection of yours is. However, the points you initially made and that I replied to were that a) everyone knew the Tories/ERG would be in power and b) that the pro working class leave vote was predicated on ‘short term pain’. As I’ve pointed out you are wrong on both points.
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Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
A tiny, but perceptible, step away from the neo-liberal orthodoxy would have taken place.
sleaterkinney
Well-Known Member
When the brexit vote happened there was zero expectation Corbyn would win the next election. He never won anything, even when he was full brexit.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Half this board would have been up in arms
Just to be clear, a leave vote was a leave vote. A "pro working class leave vote" is something you've made up.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
More airport chaos today...
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
I mean by that those on here who supported Brexit. I was replying to a post about what was said by posters on here.
Raheem
Well-Known Member
If Corbyn had won there would have been a second referendum.
Artaxerxes
Look out, he's got a gnu!
If Corbyn had won half the PLP would have quit and the government collapsed
No. There were only two options and "pro working class leave" wasn't one of them. Attributing the same fallacy to others doesn't make it valid.
What you're actually doing is trying to justify voting with Gove, Johnson and Farage.
Karl Masks
Birds Angel Delight
i'm not sure the working class did swing brexit
blogs.lse.ac.uk
Brexit was not the voice of the working class nor of the uneducated – it was of the squeezed middle
Lorenza Antonucci, Laszlo Horvath, and André Krouwel challenge the popular view of Leave voters as those left behind educationally and financially. They explain why it is individuals from an interm…
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The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Flesh this scenario out a bit more please ,its interesting.
Artaxerxes
Look out, he's got a gnu!
Imagine the TIG group but substantially larger, probably a law suit to try and get the Labour brand and a few crossing the aisle to the Lib Dems.
Corbyn winning throws up all sort of interesting quirks of behaviour, I suspect more than a few MPs couldn’t stomach it.
mojo pixy
○-<{[°_°]}>-○
There was no clean way to vote though. Voting Remain sided with other fuckers who don't care about me / us .. obviously there was 'abstain' but the more of those there were, the more motivated side (IMO that was Leave) had to gain the advantage. Arguably it was abstainers that pushed it the way it went - but there are a load of reasons people abstained so no way to know how it'd have been different if everyone eligible to vote had done so, one way or the other.
Artaxerxes
Look out, he's got a gnu!
The ref saw a higher turnout than any vote in recent history so this is one that I’m more than happy to not count abstainers or lack of turnout as an issue.
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