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A thank you to Brexiteers.

mojo pixy said:
There was no clean way to vote though. Voting Remain sided with other fuckers who don't care about me / us .. obviously there was 'abstain' but the more of those there were, the more motivated side (IMO that was Leave) had to gain the advantage. Arguably it was abstainers that pushed it the way it went - but there are a load of reasons people abstained so no way to know how it'd have been different if everyone eligible to vote had done so, one way or the other.
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Sorry to be the person to break it to you, but whenever you vote, you're voting for someone who doesn't care about you. They only care about your vote.

In this instance it was fucking obvious what a leave win would herald and it wasn't ever gonna be pro working class.
 
contadino said:
Sorry to be the person to break it to you, but whenever you vote, you're voting for someone who doesn't care about you. They only care about your vote.

In this instance it was fucking obvious what a leave win would herald and it wasn't ever gonna be pro working class.
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Well, you're not the person to break it to me so no need to apologize.

As far as I gathered, there was some weird radicalistic (made up word) undercurrent that sounded like, vote leave -> hypercapitalist shitstorm -> social unrest -> fundamental systemic change

I always thought it was a shit plan but I didn't vote Leave.
 
I think my opinion was and is still, Remain is a shit sandwich and Leave is a diarrhoea sandwich. Take your pick.

I'd have put that in a spoiler but this thread doesn't deserve such courtesy :D
 
Artaxerxes said:
The ref saw a higher turnout than any vote in recent history so this is one that I’m more than happy to not count abstainers or lack of turnout as an issue.
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it carried one of the highest turn out in history due to a massive press campaign by forces on the right for years
then coupled with the idea that it was a one in a life time chance to make your opinion mean something

giving people the idea that voting for something changes the political landscape and changes it is quite powerful


the leave Campaign tactics are quite similar to how trump got elected

the bullshite that it was for political change when all it did was reinforce the same political system is quite telling as well
 
Sure, won’t deny any of that but there’s a frequent defence of “well not everyone voted” that’s more hollow about this than the usual elections.

The reason all the polling companies fucked up is that a great many people who hadn’t voted for years actually turned out again to say fuck you, whether that was to Davey Cameron or Farage
 
mojo pixy said:
I think my opinion was and is still, Remain is a shit sandwich and Leave is a diarrhoea sandwich. Take your pick.

I'd have put that in a spoiler but this thread doesn't deserve such courtesy :D
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Good analogy - the shit sandwich is obviously extremely unappealing, being a literal shit sandwich, while the latter option would be unable to even maintain its integrity as a sandwich and would fall apart into a shitty mess.
 
Artaxerxes said:
Sure, won’t deny any of that but there’s a frequent defence of “well not everyone voted” that’s more hollow about this than the usual elections.

The reason all the polling companies fucked up is that a great many people who hadn’t voted for years actually turned out again to say fuck you, whether that was to Davey Cameron or Farage
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i agree my da never vote in his life but he was 60 and has been mumbling on about to many different races taking over the building game for years


he did not like me point out to him that we only moved to England in the 90's oddly enough
 
Raheem said:
Surely abstainers can't have pushed it one way or the other, any more than people who voted leave but could have voted remain if their opinion were different.
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Artaxerxes said:
The ref saw a higher turnout than any vote in recent history so this is one that I’m more than happy to not count abstainers or lack of turnout as an issue.
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The margin was <4% and >25%of the electorate didn't vote. There's no way to know what difference 100% participation could have made but from the conversations and arguments I had at the time it seemed people who wanted to Leave, they voted. People who wanted to Remain, they voted. I believe based on nothing but my inelegant braining that the majority of people who didn't vote didn't particularly want to leave but either 1. didn't care enough to bother voting Remain (despite IMO tacitly supporting Remain as the status quo position lol jokes about status quo) or 2. assumed Leave could never win because it was dumb racists etc. I knew a few like this.

It's done, and these are reckons, and I'm not blaming anyone for anything.
 
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contadino said:
No. There were only two options and "pro working class leave" wasn't one of them. Attributing the same fallacy to others doesn't make it valid.

What you're actually doing is trying to justify voting with Gove, Johnson and Farage.
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I’ve already explained the statement and the context in which is was used. I wasn’t ‘attributing’ anything to anyone. I was pointing out that what Ska attributed to some posters was wide of the mark.

And given you voted with Blair, Cameron, Truss, Starmer, Sturgeon, Davey, the members of the CBI and the IoD and the detritus of celebland you are barking up the wrong tree there pal.

Being gratingly pompous and erroneously pedantic is par for the course on planet remain I know, but you seem to be suffering from a particular severe strain of the condition.
 
Watched about 3 quarters of the EU state of the Union address yesterday, good example of how the centre left can sometimes be almost as good at spouting bollox as the right but without actually admitting it to them selves (straight faced through the whole spiel). The main difference being the right are often quite aware that they are talking bollox but dont care due to being cunts.
 
_Russ_ said:
Watched about 3 quarters of the EU state of the Union address yesterday, good example of how the centre left can sometimes be almost as good at spouting bollox as the right but without actually admitting it to them selves (straight faced through the whole spiel). The main difference being the right are often quite aware that they are talking bollox but dont care due to being cunts.
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says the man who speaks of the power of the jewish lobby in the united states
 
Smokeandsteam said:
I’ve already explained the statement and the context in which is was used. I wasn’t ‘attributing’ anything to anyone. I was pointing out that what Ska attributed to some posters was wide of the mark.

And given you voted with Blair, Cameron, Truss, Starmer, Sturgeon, Davey, the members of the CBI and the IoD and the detritus of celebland you are barking up the wrong tree there pal.

Being gratingly pompous and erroneously pedantic is par for the course on planet remain I know, but you seem to be suffering from a particular severe strain of the condition.
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tbh no matter how you voted, pretty much no matter how you vote, you'll still be voting on the same side as wankers
 
we are all better off giving more money to the gas provider as it gives us security

not info structurer to store gas within our own borders for crises like this but security


by the way we going to empty the north sea and start fracking again

making Britain better

btw bankers are get bigger bonuses by government decree
 
_Russ_ said:
The rest of Europe will increasingly distance themselves from the UK and rightly so
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Yes, every year the channel widens by a fraction of a metre while the Irish Sea widens by multiples of an inch and the border between the six counties and the neighbouring 26 becomes measurable
 
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two sheds said:
"is taking" rather than "has taken" but seems relevant to whether EU countries can nationalize

www.bbc.co.uk

Germany nationalises gas giant amid energy crisis

The German government is taking a 98.5% stake in Uniper, one of the country's biggest suppliers.
www.bbc.co.uk
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Not knocking this at all, I think all utility services should be nationalised however isn't this possible under some definition of emergency or crisis?

Speaking of which both the TUC and European Federation of Trade Unions are campaigning separately against threats to remove the right to strike in the UK and EU .( in some EU countries minimum staffing etc is already law)

www.etuc.org

SMEI: Right to strike still not protected

The right to strike is still not protected in the European Commission’s proposal for a Single Market Emergency Instrument (SMEI). The ETUC wrote to the Commission earlier this month to raise concerns about their plans to repeal a regulation* which protects the right to strike as part of their...
www.etuc.org www.etuc.org

They also covered the demonstrations in Belgium today

 
two sheds said:
"is taking" rather than "has taken" but seems relevant to whether EU countries can nationalize

www.bbc.co.uk

Germany nationalises gas giant amid energy crisis

The German government is taking a 98.5% stake in Uniper, one of the country's biggest suppliers.
www.bbc.co.uk
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Good that they are nationalizing, all utilities and public transport should be. Not sure what that has to do with Brexit though, and it's a bit iffy imposing a maximum temperature that offices may be heated to. Perhaps they need to as Germany has no natural gas of its own and relies on funding slaughter in Ukraine for theirs?
 
Bahnhof Strasse said:
Not sure what that has to do with Brexit though
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one of the arguments that was being made from the left for brexit was that being under EU law meant that things like railways couldn't be (re) nationalised. (think this was one of the main reasons for RMT union being pro brexit)
 
Puddy_Tat said:
one of the arguments that was being made from the left for brexit was that being under EU law meant that things like railways couldn't be (re) nationalised. (think this was one of the main reasons for RMT union being pro brexit)
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Oh no, don't wake them up...all the Lexit mob will pop up to witter on about the stella legal advice that the RMT paid for.
 
Puddy_Tat said:
one of the arguments that was being made from the left for brexit was that being under EU law meant that things like railways couldn't be (re) nationalised. (think this was one of the main reasons for RMT union being pro brexit)
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Surely those arguments were about the nationalisation of whole industries thereby eliminating sacred competition, not governments taking control of individual companies?
This from the article seems to spell out the intention pretty clearly:
German Economy Minister Habeck said:
"The state will… do everything necessary to keep companies stable on the market at all times," he said.
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