A thank you to Brexiteers.

[The39thStep]

I didn't mean to sound rude.

Strangely enough, I have actually had dinner with Portuguese communists. I think I had salted cod with salad. Good vinho. It was pre Brexit, so the concept wasn't discussed.

Great stuff bacalhau. My fave is bacalhau com natas ie with cream. Like a lot of the proper albeit flawed left in Europe the position is, we will do this and this, and if they don't allow us we will go. Very polite the Portuguese CP.

 

[RD2003]

Its just him saying that he voted for a different brexit, a really cool one that goes to a different school, not this crappy one that we are living in. If he voted from Portugal idk.

I don't get this idea that Britain is a drastically different place after Brexit. It isn't.

 

[RD2003]

It is. I love it. Btw my favourite weird little plant selling man told me today that he’s packing up shop because it doesn’t work anymore with the cost of importing stuff from Europe, so he’s shutting down in a month or two, the place is going to be sold to a developer for flats. Which is shit, he has a grey parrot who lives in the shed and doesn’t talk but whistles many tunes. I’ll miss them a lot,

This kind of thing makes you wonder how European countries ever functioned before the corrupt EU gravy train was set in motion.

 

[Raheem]

Exhaustion?

Perhaps all the gloating, haha, 'move to the EU then', 'enemies of the people', 'citizens of nowhere' stuff had the effect of making those it was aimed at think 'well, OK, fuck you - this is all yours, so you get on with it'. People heard, and listened, reflected, and have acted accordingly.

Nobody has so much energy that even more can be expended in helping Brexiters to navigate the reality of their victory.

Could also be to do with not being within anymore.

 

[RD2003]

That’s what I meant , sincerely. I love a bit of gardening and pottering about

I hate gardening, although I enjoy looking at or being in nice gardens. but I always get a sense of satisfaction after I've done it. Took advantage of the good weather yesterday to not only tidy up the garden, but also treat our wooden balcony and steps with wood preserve. I felt I really deserved the bottle of Cava afterwards.

 

[The39thStep]

I hate gardening, although I enjoy looking at or being in nice gardens. but I always get a sense of satisfaction after I've done it. Took advantage of the good weather yesterday to not only tidy up the garden, but also treat our wooden balcony and steps with wood preserve. I felt I really deserved the bottle of Cava afterwards.

Think its a marmite thing tbh . Used to hate it as a kid but strangely grew into it in my mid 30s.

 

[RD2003]

Oh, on this thing we agree! The way the whole sad show played out was truly awful and it didn’t need to be like that, idiots on all sides. If remain hadn’t been so arrogant and unimaginative then we’d probably have remained.

These kind of people don't seem to know how unbearably smug they come across. Much of the post-Brexit Remainer angst was pure shock at the realisation that, for once, they don't get the world they want. Their reaction to the Ukraine war is explained by the same sense of disorientation.

 

[RD2003]

Think its a marmite thing tbh . Used to hate it as a kid but strangely grew into it in my mid 30s.

Yeah, since we moved I'm actually contemplating growing a few vegetables. I quite like getting to be an old cunt despite my knees going.

 

[RD2003]

Very polite the Portuguese CP.

They all were in the end. I remember some 1980s RCPers calling the CPGB 'Her Majesty's communist party.'

 

[The39thStep]

They all were in the end. I remember some 1980s RCPers calling the CPGB 'Her Majesty's communist party.'

My favorite was when they interviewed Cunhal on a program for ITV during the early part of the revolution. He was asked about 'political prisoners/ and replied 'no these men are bankers.'

 

[teuchter]

These kind of people don't seem to know how unbearably smug they come across. Much of the post-Brexit Remainer angst was pure shock at the realisation that, for once, they don't get the world they want. Their reaction to the Ukraine war is explained by the same sense of disorientation.

I can guess who the "these kind of people" you are talking about are, but I dunno if they generally tend to get what they want at, say, general elections. Not to worry - what you've written will have the effect you want nonetheless.

 

[RD2003]

I can guess who the "these kind of people" you are talking about are, but I dunno if they generally tend to get what they want at, say, general elections. Not to worry - what you've written will have the effect you want nonetheless.

At General Elections they don't, at least not since Blair. But it doesn't matter, as they tend to get what they want anyway. Except in the case of Brexit, where the realisation that those who don't think like them might actually have an influence suddenly smacked them in the chops, and the shock-horror of the (entirely predictable for at least ten years) Ukraine war.

Not sure if anything I write on here ever has the desired effect tbh. Even if I knew what it was.

 

[philosophical]

I don't get this idea that Britain is a drastically different place after Brexit. It isn't.

What about the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, all unchanged after the vote to leave?
I would argue it is a different place after the referendum…’drastically’ is down to a matter of opinion, and in my opinion the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland is drastically different after the vote to leave…even now before that vote is properly implemented.

 

[teuchter]

At General Elections they don't, at least not since Blair. But it doesn't matter, as they tend to get what they want anyway. Except in the case of Brexit, where the realisation that those who don't think like them might actually have an influence suddenly smacked them in the chops, and the shock-horror of the (entirely predictable for at least ten years) Ukraine war.

So it doesn't matter that they don't get what they want at general elections, but it does with Brexit. How come? Obviously you think that brexit has some kind of profound consequence for them - what is it?

 

[Smokeandsteam]

So it doesn't matter that they don't get what they want at general elections, but it does with Brexit. How come? Obviously you think that brexit has some kind of profound consequence for them - what is it?

'Brexit' for planet remainers has become a signifier and code for all sorts of social, cultural and political issues.

Remainer trauma is emblematic of a wider and deeper crisis of middle class liberalism.

 

[Kevbad the Bad]

'Brexit' for planet remainers has become a signifier and code for all sorts of social, cultural and political issues.

Remainer trauma is emblematic of a wider and deeper crisis of middle class liberalism.

Brexit for (some) Brexiteers has always been a signifier and code for all sorts of social, cultural and political issues. Brexiteer trauma probably began, for some, with loss of Empire, or mass immigration. The EU became a convenient hook to hang all manner of unsavoury garments on.

Middle class liberals. Hmmmn. Scotland and Northern Ireland must be awash with such people.

 

[philosophical]

Remainer trauma for some is realising there are those of the left who voted leave without a ready made solution to the land border in Ireland.
The vindictive lexiters.

 

[Yossarian]

My own view on this is that Brexit has become some sort of signifier for a wider trauma within middle class liberalism and reflects, among the petit bourgeois and the PMC, its deep level of disorientation and frustration. It's politics are in retreat across the globe, it's all at sea in a 'culture war' it can't fully understand, its economic position is eroding in the same way our class suffered in the 80's and its role as the narrating class becomes ever more contingent. While Brexit is triggering: because it speaks to a number of those issues, what we are really dealing with here is some sort of middle class psychological episode.

Part of the problem for Remain is the fact that, politically speaking, it’s an empty vessel, as this contribution from the labour spokesperson demonstrates. As this - presumable Blairite - demonstrates they are utterly disorientated by a result that damaged everything they thought about themselves and their position as the narrating class. They have been unable to move beyond the trauma and remain politically paralysed and therefore irrelevant as a result.

'Brexit' for planet remainers has become a signifier and code for all sorts of social, cultural and political issues.

Remainer trauma is emblematic of a wider and deeper crisis of middle class liberalism.

 

[Smokeandsteam]

Brexit for (some) Brexiteers has always been a signifier and code for all sorts of social, cultural and political issues. Brexiteer trauma probably began, for some, with loss of Empire, or mass immigration. The EU became a convenient hook to hang all manner of unsavoury garments on.

Middle class liberals. Hmmmn. Scotland and Northern Ireland must be awash with such people.

I agree. But don't think anyone on here comes from that mileu. No doubt had leave lost then the internet would be full of their nostalgia and angst instead of the middle class remainer variant.

As for Scotland and the north of Ireland other factors and considerations were and are in play.

 

[teuchter]

'Brexit' for planet remainers has become a signifier and code for all sorts of social, cultural and political issues.

Remainer trauma is emblematic of a wider and deeper crisis of middle class liberalism.

Was the victory of Boris Johnson at the general election a signifier and code for all sorts of social, cultural and political issues for these awful people? But was it also for you?

 

[Artaxerxes]

No true leftist voted remain\leave and only bourgeoise miss the status quo/want to leave the EU.


Same old nuanced arguments

 

[philosophical]

I agree. But don't think anyone on here comes from that mileu. No doubt had leave lost then the internet would be full of their nostalgia and angst instead of the middle class remainer variant.

As for Scotland and the north of Ireland other factors and considerations were and are in play.

Do you mean were in play in the minds of individual voters when they voted?
How could anybody know?

 

[Smokeandsteam]

Was the victory of Boris Johnson at the general election a signifier and code for all sorts of social, cultural and political issues for these awful people? But was it also for you?

That doesn’t make any sense. Have a lie down

 

[Kevbad the Bad]

The other aspect of Remain annoyance and anger was how close the vote was. That closeness varied enormously around the regions, but it was still close. If Leave had had 75% and Remain 25% that would have been the end of the matter, for the vast majority. But if you live in one of those areas that was heavily Remain you would hardly know anyone who voted Leave and admitted to it. The news since, and the knowledge that the demographics indicate that Remain would have won if the vote was held now, just add to the ongoing annoyance.

 

[The39thStep]

No true leftist voted remain\leave and only bourgeoise miss the status quo/want to leave the EU.


Same old nuanced arguments

what is a leftist?

 

[Ax^]

'Brexit' for planet remainers has become a signifier and code for all sorts of social, cultural and political issues.

Remainer trauma is emblematic of a wider and deeper crisis of middle class liberalism.

and the only benefit is a sense of a fuzzy warm feeling of winning for people who voted leave

other tangible benefits are questionable at best

 

[Pickman's model]

and a sense of a fuzzy warm feeling of winning someone for some members of the left

other tangible benefits are questionable at best

by no means
the printers of blue passports are enjoying a great boom

 

[A380]

by no means
the printers of blue passports are enjoying a great boom

I for one am glad we have assisted the French/Dutch/Polish security printing industry so much.

 

[teuchter]

That doesn’t make any sense. Have a lie down

Which bit of the question do you have a problem with?

 

[Smokeandsteam]

Which bit of the question do you have a problem with?

All of it