krtek a houby
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There's a few Wilsons we could have done without, tbf
A thank you to Brexiteers.
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Chilli.s
mingling jets and statuettes
I think you are right about it being a kick in the bollocks, but it was actually a cutting the nose off despite the face kinda kick. And not at all directed at our rulers, sadly directed at everyone. Just own it, it was a shit decision and has no benefit.
Ironic that the few people who possibly can twist this to their own advantage will be doing it anyway and give not a fuck what way the wind blows
bimble
floofy
Oh I missed that bit of Smokeandsteam about how “it was the right decision At the time”
What is that supposed to mean? It usually means that if you had the same choice today you’d choose differently but it can’t possibly be that because look at the ruling class observe their generationally kicked bollocks.
What is that supposed to mean? It usually means that if you had the same choice today you’d choose differently but it can’t possibly be that because look at the ruling class observe their generationally kicked bollocks.
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
You've made 3 points there. I disagree with all of them.
On point 1, I've posted research on this thread showing the widespread popular working class view that there lives couldn't get worse and therefore the dire warnings about what would happen if they dared to vote to leave the EU cut absolutely no ice. All of the evidence is that 6 years on their views haven't changed much. The Remainers often demand 'evidence' of how Brexit has improved the lives of our side. But for many of our class the vote wasn't about that and wasn't done with that expectation at all.
On point 2, the widespread view that I heard again and again was "if they (the rich/politicians/the sneering PMC types) want x we will vote y. In that sense the kick was perfectly aimed and delivered. Looking at the endless wailing in some quarters 6 years on only adds to the impression of the success of the blow.
On point 3, if there was another vote tomorrow I'd campaign and vote to Leave again. The EU is rotten to the core. A bloated and failing neo-liberal construct that offers nothing for us but a race to the bottom. For those tempted to bleat that the Tories are worse I'd say a) they weren't in the referendum b) had Labour stuck to its original position or even better campaigned to leave things would be very different and a vey different type of Brexit could have been delivered. It still can be.
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
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Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
Oh I missed that bit of Smokeandsteam about how “it was the right decision At the time”
What is that supposed to mean? It usually means that if you had the same choice today you’d choose differently but it can’t possibly be that because look at the ruling class observe their generationally kicked bollocks.
Nope. See above.
Karl Masks
Birds Angel Delight
So what did you think leaving would achieve? What do you want to happen now?
philosophical
Well-Known Member
Why any individual voted is guesswork...unless I suppose you have consulted all 17+ million.
However the 'what' is easily answered, it was for the whole of the UK to leave the whole of the EU.
If Lexiters could acknowledge that is what they voted for, then maybe they could accept that they are responsible for explaining how that happens on the land border with the EU in practical terms.
Perhaps it would help them turn their minds from their poseur ideological wankfest, and think up some immediate real world solutions.
Six years and counting.
However the 'what' is easily answered, it was for the whole of the UK to leave the whole of the EU.
If Lexiters could acknowledge that is what they voted for, then maybe they could accept that they are responsible for explaining how that happens on the land border with the EU in practical terms.
Perhaps it would help them turn their minds from their poseur ideological wankfest, and think up some immediate real world solutions.
Six years and counting.
bimble
floofy
The people whose views you heard again & again, presumably they didn’t vote in the 2019 GE. Those were other brexit supporters who did that, not the kind you choose to ventriloquise for. Your ones who dealt the deadly blow etc are a select number who definitely didn’t go on to vote for BJ and the get brexit done party.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
No they weren't.
Smokeandsteam is perfectly right to say that there is little or no evidence that those millions of working class people who voted for Brexit have no regrets and would vote leave again tomorrow if that became necessary.I would humbly suggest that people on here who seem unable to accept that this is the case quite likely have it in common with our chancellor that they don't actually know that many working class people.There is a new militancy about and I think it is a mistake to discount the extent to which for good or ill working class folk feel empowered as they have not been for decades .
Kevbad the Bad
Amiable Bowel Syndrome
Your first sentence contains a double negative and may be missing some punctuation. Or may be contradictory. Or it may just be me. But I can't make out what you're saying.
You're right meant to say have regrets
There's plenty of polls, stats, and analysis that people are calling time on Brexit. This from today...
Truss’s journey from remain to leave may have to become a circular tour
Could the Foreign Secretary Liz Truss be forced to concede she was right to oppose Brexit during the 2016 referendum campaign?
yorkshirebylines.co.uk
By all means, ignore it. Or harp on about how fucking over the poor is all part of a plan to help the poor.
Yeah read it not exactly conclusive?There's plenty of polls, stats, and analysis that people are calling time on Brexit. This from today...
Truss’s journey from remain to leave may have to become a circular tour
Could the Foreign Secretary Liz Truss be forced to concede she was right to oppose Brexit during the 2016 referendum campaign?
By all means, ignore it. Or harp on about how fucking over the poor is all part of a plan to help the poor.
Like I said, ignore it.
teuchter
je suis teuchter
It's certainly the case that the campaign to bring down Johnson has been a snooty middle class one, led by Dominic Cummings and cheered on by the Guardian, liberal academic types on u75 and so on, as I'm sure we can all agree.
bimble
floofy
What do you mean? You think people who voted leave were to a large extent the same people who voted conservative at the 2019 GE? I think so too. Certainly the case round here. Which makes it a bit of a rubbish ‘generational kick in the bollocks to the ruling class’ really.
ETA yep look at it. Areas with strong leave vote were much more likely to go on a couple of years later to vote tory. Inspiring stuff.
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The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Often think , quite fondly ,that this thread is a marvellous modern tribute to the likes of Hiroo Onoda.
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Dystopiary
putting up a hook to hang my hopes upon
As disabled people on benefits get more and more shafted (thanks for introducing that shit, New Labour), Brexit has made it harder for any of them who could, and wanted to, to make a new life elsewhere. What class are they if they started off working class and ended up in the shit? Underclass? I don't see much solidarity with those people from any quarters.
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
What class are imaginary poor disabled people flocking to the EU to start a new life with nothing? Who knows tbh. And you already made pretty much this exact post before except even more into the realm of fantasy:
maomao
普費斯
You read half the thread as glitch hiker anyway.
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