A thank you to Brexiteers.
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Artaxerxes
Look out, he's got a gnu!
Yossarian
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Ax^
Silly Rabbit
hmm got love for all the hand wringing that the Torys will do about caring about North Ireland and the state of the union
they are quite happy to just ignore how people vote in ulster
after an election lose by the DUP due to being focused on removing the protocol, the fuck with Tories are willing to ignore
the rest of the population and go with the dickhead orange men ideas
and by the sounds of it just to satisfy Truss self interest in a premotion
they are quite happy to just ignore how people vote in ulster
after an election lose by the DUP due to being focused on removing the protocol, the fuck with Tories are willing to ignore
the rest of the population and go with the dickhead orange men ideas
and by the sounds of it just to satisfy Truss self interest in a premotion
ska invita
back on the other side
philosophical
Well-Known Member
Who’d have thought the vote to leave by the leave voting bastards would lead to trouble relating to the UK/EU land border?
All the Urbanites who have dug me out over this for the past years since 2016, leavers or remainers, have resorted to personals rather than confront the specific practical issues.
Makes me nostalgic for those more innocent days in the past when there was supposed to be ‘technological’ solutions.
I often return to the notion that there is deep lying, sometimes unconscious antipathy towards the Irish.
The remark about the shortage of potatoes on the local election thread is part of this.
Now we have the Irish issue used as a backdrop for power plays by vile politicians.
All the Urbanites who have dug me out over this for the past years since 2016, leavers or remainers, have resorted to personals rather than confront the specific practical issues.
Makes me nostalgic for those more innocent days in the past when there was supposed to be ‘technological’ solutions.
I often return to the notion that there is deep lying, sometimes unconscious antipathy towards the Irish.
The remark about the shortage of potatoes on the local election thread is part of this.
Now we have the Irish issue used as a backdrop for power plays by vile politicians.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
Macron is trying to drum up support to open the EU to the UK again without the UK having to join the EU...
www.politico.eu
Which appears to be offering the UK the chance to cherry-pick the bits of the EU it wants, exactly what wasn't permitted in the leaving talks.
Macron floats European ‘community’ open to Ukraine and UK
French president says it will probably take ‘decades’ for Kyiv to join EU but his plan would offer closer links to countries outside the bloc.
Which appears to be offering the UK the chance to cherry-pick the bits of the EU it wants, exactly what wasn't permitted in the leaving talks.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
he seems to be the point man for the eu when dealing with difficult regimes, first putin and now johnsonMacron is trying to drum up support to open the EU to the UK again without the UK having to join the EU...
Macron floats European ‘community’ open to Ukraine and UK
French president says it will probably take ‘decades’ for Kyiv to join EU but his plan would offer closer links to countries outside the bloc.
Which appears to be offering the UK the chance to cherry-pick the bits of the EU it wants, exactly what wasn't permitted in the leaving talks.
two sheds
Least noticed poster 2007
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
it's like the history of ireland wasn't replete with examples of politicians using that country for their own power plays
steeplejack
trapped lbw for a duck
Macron is trying to drum up support to open the EU to the UK again without the UK having to join the EU...
Macron floats European ‘community’ open to Ukraine and UK
French president says it will probably take ‘decades’ for Kyiv to join EU but his plan would offer closer links to countries outside the bloc.
Which appears to be offering the UK the chance to cherry-pick the bits of the EU it wants, exactly what wasn't permitted in the leaving talks.
Rhetorical flatulence designed to make him look like a great thinker on the world stage, whilst staving off a persistent far-right threat domestically, with peoples and nations from Skopje to Tblisi shrugged off as expendable, second class collateral.
In reality a snivelling, triangulating, Blairite cretin who copies Zelensky's khaki fashions whilst making wheedling and entirely useless phonecalls to Putin.
ska invita
back on the other side
clearly a ruse to suck the UK back in...slippery slope....customs union before you know itMacron is trying to drum up support to open the EU to the UK again without the UK having to join the EU...
Macron floats European ‘community’ open to Ukraine and UK
French president says it will probably take ‘decades’ for Kyiv to join EU but his plan would offer closer links to countries outside the bloc.
Which appears to be offering the UK the chance to cherry-pick the bits of the EU it wants, exactly what wasn't permitted in the leaving talks.
steeplejack
trapped lbw for a duck
The elephant in the room is this. Britain just can't turn around post-Johnson and say "lads, we've fucked it, let's rejoin". The EU27 would have to agree and Britain has more than enough enemies on the continet that had their time wasted endlessly from 2016-2021 and who are now rolling their eyes as utter nonetities like Truss and Mogg talk about ripping up a solemnly agreed international treaty.
There is no way the EU would agree to a UK return for a generation- partly through spite, partly because the EU needs to demonstrate the painful consequences for anyone else thinking of jumping ship. Not that anyone is.
There has been some misleading stuff written lately as the Britain could just change it's mind. It's the descendant of the magical thinking that the UK could somehow enjoy the benefits of EU membership whilst also leaving.
I agree that the debate is over and we need to move on. History is getting faster and socio-economic conditions worse and worse. Who gives a fuck how people voted six years ago? We all have to address the now.
There is no way the EU would agree to a UK return for a generation- partly through spite, partly because the EU needs to demonstrate the painful consequences for anyone else thinking of jumping ship. Not that anyone is.
There has been some misleading stuff written lately as the Britain could just change it's mind. It's the descendant of the magical thinking that the UK could somehow enjoy the benefits of EU membership whilst also leaving.
I agree that the debate is over and we need to move on. History is getting faster and socio-economic conditions worse and worse. Who gives a fuck how people voted six years ago? We all have to address the now.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
“This new European organization would allow democratic European nations adhering to our set of values to find a new space for political cooperation" Good to see Macron align Johnson's government with the EU's set of valuesMacron is trying to drum up support to open the EU to the UK again without the UK having to join the EU...
Macron floats European ‘community’ open to Ukraine and UK
French president says it will probably take ‘decades’ for Kyiv to join EU but his plan would offer closer links to countries outside the bloc.
Which appears to be offering the UK the chance to cherry-pick the bits of the EU it wants, exactly what wasn't permitted in the leaving talks.
Yeah, you're right. However, despite what Brexiteers will have us believe, 'Brexit' isn't a single, binary thing. We could, for example, agree to rejoin the Erasmus programme, or agree to participate in Euratom, or agree regulatory alignment without being 'back in Europe.' There are hundreds of schemes that we opted to leave for no real purpose or benefit, and with no consultation.
The Brexit that we've ended up with is a largely idealistic demolition ball that benefits a small group of disaster capitalists.
Artaxerxes
Look out, he's got a gnu!
Happy to move on but I’m going to continue calling the bunch of self serving cunts who are in charge and wanted this a bunch of cunts and brexit a crap show.
I don’t expect to rejoin in the next few decades but I’d like a decent relationship with the EU which is apparently not on the cards
I don’t expect to rejoin in the next few decades but I’d like a decent relationship with the EU which is apparently not on the cards
steeplejack
trapped lbw for a duck
Yes I agree, rejoining Erasmus would be a really positive step, ditto Euratom.
It's fine to be a full member of these supranational bodies without rejoining IMO. I'm also fine with a reasonable relation with the EU, currently not on the table, because of Tory posturing / infighting.
However having voted 'remain" by only a fag paper's margin have to accept that the debate is done. I'm also fine with that and hold no candle for the EU as some ideal.
There are many grim consequences to be dealt as a result of Brexit for a few years yet economically and politically. We'll like be dead by the time any "benefit" - if that's ever to happen- percolates downward. Much more interesting is trying to find some way to counter the normalisation of the lies, the propaganda, governmental shrugging at the cost of living crisis, racism, corruption and authoritarianism in the here and now.
Ax^
Silly Rabbit
apart from the problem of Johnson and his government not having any values
why would Europe set up any new system with the UK when they are currently in the process of tearing up the agreements they created on brexit
Ax^
Silly Rabbit
round up the current Tory administration and take the round the back and shoot them all would be the easiest solution
steeplejack
trapped lbw for a duck
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
You need to address these important questions to Macron directly. I'm only acting as a go between for the benefit of remainers.apart from the problem of Johnson and his government not having any values
why would Europe set up any new system with the UK when they are currently in the process of tearing up the agreements they created on brexit
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
an intermédiaire if you will
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
exactement
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
and there you have it
sleaterkinney
Well-Known Member
Then, after Starmer took the knife our of Theresa May’s back, he plunged it deep into Corbyn, a principled man. Is there a more evil centrist in British politics?
TopCat
Putin fanboy
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