A thank you to Brexiteers.

[The39thStep]

UK’s threat to Northern Ireland protocol is boost to Putin, say EU insiders

Brussels officials ‘flabbergasted’ at timing of statement, which risks undermining international alliance

www.theguardian.com

Undermining the EU boosts Putin says anon EN remain types.

Meanwhile EU to pay Hungary if it follows agreement over Russian oil sanctions

 

[sleaterkinney]

UK’s threat to Northern Ireland protocol is boost to Putin, say EU insiders

Brussels officials ‘flabbergasted’ at timing of statement, which risks undermining international alliance

www.theguardian.com

Undermining the EU boosts Putin says anon EN remain types.

That's why he backed Brexit.

 

[contadino]

UK’s threat to Northern Ireland protocol is boost to Putin, say EU insiders

Brussels officials ‘flabbergasted’ at timing of statement, which risks undermining international alliance

www.theguardian.com

Undermining the EU boosts Putin says anon EN remain types.

So explain how a trade war on Europe's other flank could be anything other than beneficial to Putin then, yer fucking donkey.

 

[Raheem]

UK’s threat to Northern Ireland protocol is boost to Putin, say EU insiders

Brussels officials ‘flabbergasted’ at timing of statement, which risks undermining international alliance

www.theguardian.com

Undermining the EU boosts Putin says anon EN remain types.

TBF, it wouldn't strengthen their hand to be fighting a trade war on two fronts.

 

[Ax^]

and quite sure threating the good Friday agreement will win them so many friends in the states

 

[TopCat]

So explain how a trade war on Europe's other flank could be anything other than beneficial to Putin then, yer fucking donkey.

Not going to bother engaging with you re the donkey remark.

 

[contadino]

Not going to bother engaging with you re the donkey remark.

i.e. you have no answer.

 

[brogdale]

The Truss thing is nonsense IMO, theyve been talking about tearing it up for months, from before they signed it really, and this most recent threat for a couple of weeks

Nonsense, yes...but a useful metric of the the ultra-Vermin desperation.

Difficult to discern how much of this dangerous nonsense is Truss grandstanding before the selectorate or actually the emerging Johnsonite GE strategy to reignite the electoral magic of Brexit division. Blame the foreign bogeyman and cast their opponents as quislings for not joining the inflammatory charade.

 

[bimble]

Nonsense, yes...but a useful metric of the the ultra-Vermin desperation.

Difficult to discern how much of this dangerous nonsense is Truss grandstanding before the selectorate or actually the emerging Johnsonite GE strategy to reignite the electoral magic of Brexit division. Blame the foreign bogeyman and cast their opponents as quislings for not joining the inflammatory charade.

Yep. I think it’s mostly the latter but I think it will fail. They’ve got nothing else apart from a repeat performance (vote for us patriots cos we did brexit) and last time that made sense, there was still energy and optimism and anger about it, but now it’s just pathetic.

 

[TopCat]

Sinn Féin’s victory won’t bring a united Ireland right away – but it’s getting closer | Fintan O'Toole

Brexit is helping to deliver the sense of an ending for Northern Ireland as we know it, says the Irish Times columnist Fintan O’Toole

www.theguardian.com

 

[philosophical]

I find it rather ironic that before the vote to leave Ireland was more united than it seems to be now.
There was no mention on the voting slip that Northern Ireland would be treated differently after the result, any more than there was mention that Leicestershire would be treated differently.
One thing that sickens me is leave voters retrospectively trying to justify their nastiness by trying to kid themselves and others that their leave vote was really a secret step along the road to Irish reunification.
In my view their vote to leave was a deliberate action, and implicit in that vote was an action to fuck things up in Ireland.
At the time of the referendum there was no particular thrust for reunification, but there was plenty of excitement about borders and controlling them.

 

[_Russ_]

Sinn Féin’s victory won’t bring a united Ireland right away – but it’s getting closer | Fintan O'Toole

Brexit is helping to deliver the sense of an ending for Northern Ireland as we know it, says the Irish Times columnist Fintan O’Toole

www.theguardian.com

To take just one quote out of that piece (theres plenty more I could point to)

But Northern Ireland has never been normal. It was created to ensure one overwhelming imperative: to allow as many Protestants as possible to stay in the UK and exclude themselves from the emerging Irish state.

To me this shows partly why the very title given to the piece is disingenuous.
The comment itself may be completely true but it reveals the true feelings of one side towards the other. (works both ways of course)
I make no comment on whether either side should throw away the past, but Im pretty sure they can't

 

[TopCat]

I find it rather ironic that before the vote to leave Ireland was more united than it seems to be now.
There was no mention on the voting slip that Northern Ireland would be treated differently after the result, any more than there was mention that Leicestershire would be treated differently.
One thing that sickens me is leave voters retrospectively trying to justify their nastiness by trying to kid themselves and others that their leave vote was really a secret step along the road to Irish reunification.
In my view their vote to leave was a deliberate action, and implicit in that vote was an action to fuck things up in Ireland.
At the time of the referendum there was no particular thrust for reunification, but there was plenty of excitement about borders and controlling them.

Ireland will be united and you can wander around the Catford shopping centre muttering. It will be fab.

 

[brogdale]

Yep. I think it’s mostly the latter but I think it will fail. They’ve got nothing else apart from a repeat performance (vote for us patriots cos we did brexit) and last time that made sense, there was still energy and optimism and anger about it, but now it’s just pathetic.

Listening to this leads me to believe that the die may have been set for GE 2023...

 

[Pickman's model]

To take just one quote out of that piece (theres plenty more I could point to)

To me this shows partly why the very title given to the piece is disingenuous.
The comment itself may be completely true but it reveals the true feelings of one side towards the other. (works both ways of course)
I make no comment on whether either side should throw away the past, but Im pretty sure they can't

No one can throw away the past

 

[philosophical]

Ireland will be united and you can wander around the Catford shopping centre muttering. It will be fab.

You come across to me as constantly disingenuous.
If I remember correctly you voted leave.
You had no idea how that would manifest itself on the land border between the EU and the UK.
Once you realised you deliberately* voted to fuck things up in Ireland, you pretend you voted leave to get a United Ireland.
I mention it occasionally, and your only response is an allusion to me being a muttering old man in Catford.
Yeah, not only a doublethinking disingenuous leave voter with a self congratulatory sense of superiority over me, but someone who simply struggles to come to terms with the fact you deliberately* fucked things up.

*Going to a polling station, and marking a ballot paper is a deliberate act.

 

[Smangus]

I mention it occasionally, and your only response is an allusion to me being a muttering old man in Catford.

Nothing wrong with being a muttering old man in Catford,

- shambles off grumbling and shaking fist in the direction of The Ninth Life.......

 

[TopCat]

You come across to me as constantly disingenuous.
If I remember correctly you voted leave.
You had no idea how that would manifest itself on the land border between the EU and the UK.
Once you realised you deliberately* voted to fuck things up in Ireland, you pretend you voted leave to get a United Ireland.
I mention it occasionally, and your only response is an allusion to me being a muttering old man in Catford.
Yeah, not only a doublethinking disingenuous leave voter with a self congratulatory sense of superiority over me, but someone who simply struggles to come to terms with the fact you deliberately* fucked things up.

*Going to a polling station, and marking a ballot paper is a deliberate act.

We made it better. You just can’t adjust

 

[Ax^]

)

To me this shows partly why the very title given to the piece is disingenuous.
The comment itself may be completely true but it reveals the true feelings of one side towards the other. (works both ways of course)
I make no comment on whether either side should throw away the past, but Im pretty sure they can't

it the party of the Orangemen that is holding the north to ransom ATM cannot see that they are slowly passing into obscurity due to their own bullshite

hopefully going against what the population of North Ireland voted for speeds up the process

 

[_Russ_]

it the party of the Orangemen that is holding the north to ransom ATM cannot see that they are slowly passing into obscurity due to their own bullshite

hopefully going against what the population of North Ireland voted for speeds up the process

Your attitude illustrates the problem perfectly,.
Power sharing doesnt work very well and I dont have any answers, but Im a realist and in a Land with so much real hate and mistrust of the other side, having one side with most of the power is never going to work for long.
Pretending either side winning this power will be some sort of shining new beginning is naive

 

[Ax^]

the DUP lost seats to the alliance party not to Sinn fein, a party better suited to the future of North Ireland not the orange men headbangers in the DUP

 

[Pickman's model]

Your attitude illustrates the problem perfectly,.
Power sharing doesnt work very well and I dont have any answers, but Im a realist and in a Land with so much real hate and mistrust of the other side, having one side with most of the power is never going to work for long.
Pretending either side winning this power will be some sort of shining new beginning is naive

every end is a new beginning
--intergalactic lovers, 'obstinate heart'

 

[philosophical]

We made it better. You just can’t adjust

You made it worse. You can’t accept it.

 

[Artaxerxes]

the DUP lost seats to the alliance party not to Sinn fein, a party better suited to the future of North Ireland not the orange men headbangers in the DUP

This. Larger portions of the Norn electorate supported the don’t care or the pro union side even though Sinn Fein is the largest party

We don’t know the future of Norn but it’s not going to join Ireland overnight as part of some mythic brexit vote. The DUP have just shafted themselves to oblivion thanks to doubling down on the hard brexit now rhetoric and supping at the American religious evangelical teat. Your day to day voter just wants the bins taken out and by all accounts easy access to the Republic so they can go to work - a choice that was removed from them by brexit and the fighting over the protocol

 

[Pickman's model]

This. Larger portions of the Norn electorate supported the don’t care or the pro union side even though Sinn Fein is the largest party

We don’t know the future of Norn but it’s not going to join Ireland overnight as part of some mythic brexit vote. The DUP have just shafted themselves to oblivion thanks to doubling down on the hard brexit now rhetoric and supping at the American religious evangelical teat. Your day to day voter just wants the bins taken out and by all accounts easy access to the Republic so they can go to work - a choice that was removed from them by brexit and the fighting over the protocol

there needs to be a positive proposal for a future 32 county republic, be it the venerable eire nua or some new invention. just shovelling 6 into 26 won't produce a state which would attract

 

[brogdale]

 

[T & P]

FWIW I thought it was a welcome and overdue vote trend change at this year’s Eurovision from citizens and judges alike regarding the UK. Some of the nul points of the last few years were clearly politically motivated, but perhaps the Ukraine conflict has channelled people’s animosity towards a bigger villain.

But it’s still fucking laughable to try to spin this year’s result as a vindication of Brexit in the Continent. Brexit cheerleaders often make even the likes of Donald Trump’s batshit claims look plausible by comparison.

 

[krtek a houby]

Fuck the begrudgers. Brexit WILL deliver a united, inclusive Ireland.

 

[Raheem]

Some of the nul points of the last few years were clearly politically motivated

Bollocks. Unless not voting for a load of old shit counts as political.

 

[ska invita]

Some of the nul points of the last few years were clearly politically motivated,

i disagree, uk entrys of recent times have been dire - totally nil point worthy