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A thank you to Brexiteers.

Netherlands, France, and UK have reportedly cut red tape, though Brexit-induced confusion is still apparently causing delays.


The fact that Ukrainian refugees are being required to prove that they have numerous close relatives in the UK, declare that they're willing to pick berries, pay hundreds of pounds in application fees, and collect a visa from an office hundreds of miles away from where they applied for it, meanwhile, shows Brexit is working in the spirit in which it was intended.

(I may be exaggerating, but not all that much, unfortunately.)
 
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Having flown to Belfast Harbour airport often in a twin prop plane, can I recommend that anyone contemplating the same does not eat before flying. The landing is rough as old arseholes at the best of times and I’ve seen many an unwary traveller lose their breakfast in spectacular fashion 🤢
 
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Man of the moment, talking here about how much he wanted brexit to happen but only because he cares a lot about democracy & the will of the people, which is nice.

...but you get labelled a conspiraloon for airing an opinion (backed by a fair bit of circumstancial evidence) that with hindsight it's pretty obvious that Putin did whatever he could to enable Brexit, as he (is arguably the only person who) stood to gain from it.
 
...but you get labelled a conspiraloon for airing an opinion (backed by a fair bit of circumstancial evidence) that with hindsight it's pretty obvious that Putin did whatever he could to enable Brexit, as he (is arguably the only person who) stood to gain from it.
So Putin enabled it all through his behind the scenes puppetry of the Tory party, Nigel farage and the right wing press. Now there's a ct
 
So Putin enabled it all through his behind the scenes puppetry of the Tory party, Nigel farage and the right wing press. Now there's a ct
"Puppetry" does sound like ct, but the findings of the ISC's Russia report are not theoretical:

UK spy agencies took their "eye off the ball" over Russian interference and the government "badly underestimated" the threat, a watchdog has said.

A long-awaited report from parliament's Intelligence and Security Committee (ISC) found Vladimir Putin's administration has been engaged in "hostile foreign interference".

It criticised the "illogical" approach by MI5 not to fully investigate how much Moscow tried to influence the Brexit referendum because of an "extreme caution" of being seen to interfere in "democratic processes".

Precluding investigation into Russian influence in the EU referendum is obviously fuel for conspiracy theorists, though. But you don't have to be a remoaniac ct loon to find that a little smelly.
 
It's not even a question is it that Putin wanted Brexit to happen, he most definitely did. If despite all the evidence you still feel the need to imagine that the Russian state wasn't instructed to try to help that come about, or that the Tory party and Vote Leave were too noble to be seduced by any such efforts, that's just really quite bizarre. Just cos you wanted brexit doesn't mean you have to try deny any of the above, its kind of ridiculous.
 
It's not even a question is it that Putin wanted Brexit to happen, he most definitely did. If despite all the evidence you still feel the need to imagine that the Russian state wasn't instructed to try to help that come about, or that the Tory party and Vote Leave were too noble to be seduced by any such efforts, that's just really quite bizarre. Just cos you wanted brexit doesn't mean you have to try deny any of the above, its kind of ridiculous.
I (think) I know that last sentence is not addressed to me, but just to be clear (again) I chose not to engage with the Tory referendum in 2016.
 
Man of the moment, talking here about how much he wanted brexit to happen but only because he cares a lot about democracy & the will of the people, which is nice.

I've always had an uneasy feeling about the way the whole Brexit thing went...it seemed a lot more fucked-up than even our pretty seriously fucked-up system generally manages to be. I've always wondered just how Machiavellian ex-chekist Putin might be, and it struck me early on that, if nothing else, Russia's interests might well be nicely served by a rift between the UK and Europe: it's that maskirovka thing, just applied to geopolitics.

I even wonder about the timing of this Ukraine thing. Did Putin think that the EU was at peak flakiness, and that the somewhat vague Biden was unlikely to want to take a position, so he thought he'd go for the land grab? I'm reminded that Putin was in all likelihood quite closely involved as a KGB officer with the Baader-Meinhof gang back in the 1970s, so he's got form for cosying up to dubious parties in the name of achieving a greater good.

I'm drawing no conclusions, but let's just say that I'd be mildly unsurprised if it were to emerge that he had materially interfered in all kinds of things, including the Brexit referendum (and what led up to it). Not to mention the influence he's had over the media, either via ownership or gullibility.
 
So Putin enabled it all through his behind the scenes puppetry of the Tory party, Nigel farage and the right wing press. Now there's a ct
I didn't claim he did it all. I said he did whatever he could. Poor English comprehension showing...

It took a lot of fucking thick and selfish twats to enable Brexit, and only a handful of them got paid for it.
 
I didn't claim he did it all. I said he did whatever he could. Poor English comprehension showing...

It took a lot of fucking thick and selfish twats to enable Brexit, and only a handful of them got paid for it.
My slight exaggeration pales into insignificance beside the stupidity and shitty superiority of your post.
 
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