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A thank you to Brexiteers.

In my 40yr truck driving career wages went from double the national average for double the national average working hours to national average wage for double the national average working hours. So good luck to drivers who have got large wage increases which is not all of them. The supermarket rdc based store delivery jobs around the M25 ring have always paid good money & are paying even better money now but the wages of drivers based say in rural Devon who are delivering produce into these supermarket rdc’s have not risen much at all. Also worth pointing out that the well paid supermarket delivery jobs require shift work covering 24/7.

As for facilities for overnight parking in the UK when I started drivers could usually park overnight in town centre car parks so at least there were pubs & fish&chip shops nearby but none of that now. Overnight parking is mostly on overcrowded motorway service areas which were always crap places to sleep due to noise of vehicle movements all night. I’ve had jobs in my time which involved driving on the continent & it is a different world of quieter roads & better driver facilities at delivery points ie showers etc provided although motorway service areas get just as crowded with trucks at night as in UK.

Part of what caused the brexit vote imo was that UK companies of all types saw the influx of Eastern European workers after 2004 as a source of available labour that could not help but keep wages low whereas countries like Holland & France saw the potential social problems & the better employment laws in those countries tended to discourage foreign workers rather than actively encourage them as was the case in the UK. It is fair to say there are plenty of or even mostly Eastern European workers in the large Dutch meat processing industry though.

The idea that foreign workers are necessary to do the jobs that UK workers won’t do is bollocks though. Foreign workers with little English language cannot complain & it is to certain industries advantage mostly food production to have a captive workforce that will work as & when without complaint & it does amount to almost slave labour conditions that UK workers would not put up with.
 
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Having failed to attract foreign drivers to drive short term for UK transport companies Cabotage law is being relaxed. In practice what that will mean is Eastern European reg truck arrives on ferry with fridge trailer loaded with veg for a Tesco rdc. Under current cabotage law after delivering load it could do 1 internal UK load then it would have to reload for continent & take a ferry out of UK.

The change of law will allow the foreign reg truck to arrive in UK then after delivering import load it can work in UK doing unlimited amount of loads for 2 weeks before shipping back abroad say Holland. Whereupon there will be nothing to stop that truck reloading with veg in wharehouse 3 miles from Hook of Holland them shipping back to Harwich on next ferry & working in the UK for another fortnight. Shapps was on LBC this morning crowing about this & how they were saving Christmas etc & even right wing cunt Ferrari was pointing out how this was undercutting UK transport firms.

The trucks will invariably be from Eastern European EU countries but even these countries are having trouble recruiting drivers so they are employing drivers from the Ukraine & Belarus who will be working in the UK for wages of around 400€ per month plus about 20€ a day expenses. The drivers will be living out in their cabs for months. Most of the trucks will be subcontracted to large Dutch transport companies who will be making handsome profits from this.

UK transport firms are screaming blue murder about this but I doubt brexit voters will care even though this is another brexit betrayal. I know about road transport so I understand absolutely what is going on here but I doubt most leave voters will & nor will they care I doubt. Like the prime minister they voted for. They don’t do detail.
Tbf When Boris became PM, his first big International Meeting, G8 Biarritz, Cabotage was the first thing he talked about.
 
How can anyone can think the whole shit show is going well?
Remainers are not to blame & project fear is not bullshit but why shouldn't those who predicted this shit not turn round and say 'I told you so'
Brexiteers won & should own it. Fucking Neoliberal bollocks can fuck the fuck off. The Working class are the ones who are suffering from this the most
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Yeah HGV drivers are now getting a decent wage but the rest of those working will see increased prices before they get a catch-up pay rise. Still I am not a home owner so don't really care about interest rates but some are going to suffer badly & will become homeless.
Still waiting for someone to actually state a benefit of brexit but have given up on that one.
 
Still waiting for someone to actually state a benefit of brexit but have given up on that one.

You've not been keeping track: Strikes, pay rises, and other good things are benefits of Brexit.

Shortages, inflation, and other not-so-good things are the result of COVID.

The fact that strikes etc. are happening in other countries is a coincidence, but the shortages etc. in those countries is also COVID.
 
Some people might draw the conclusion that the issue of Britain's EU membership is largely inconsequential in the face of much bigger issues and Brexit has only resulted in making things 10 to 20% shitter than they would have been otherwise, but those people are clearly fools and Remoaniacs.
 
I don't think there's a lack of interest in how it's going to pan-out eventually but most of those who voted leave did so for political reasons which they've achieved. The whole thing hasn't been anywhere near as bad as the doom-mongers were predicting even if it has been handled horrendously in parts, and most people who aren't locked into a way of thinking about it think it'll improve and are taking things day by day. Convincing militant remaniacs of that though is impossible, so nobody tries.

Watch this and tell me Brexit 'hasn't been anywhere near as bad as the doom-mongers were predicting'.

 
Watch this and tell me Brexit 'hasn't been anywhere near as bad as the doom-mongers were predicting'.

Could you just give us a precis, rather than just demanding folk watch an hour long video like some conspiraloon linking to his YouTube channel?
 
You really are the disingenuous arse of the thread.
Well I think that is a compliment coming from you.

Brexit keeps on giving. The poor are so much richer & Sunny Uplands in October. Who could have imagined it going so well.
 
I think any change of government will come when this government fails to deliver on Johnson’s promises & other parties produce a proper alternative plan. A hung parliament with some kind of liberal alliance would probably be ok. The worst aspect now is not brexit but creeping authoritarianism imo. Ok Johnson is a pound shop version of his mate Orban but I don’t think people in this country really want society to go in that direction. To change the government there is plenty to overcome. Our version of democracy for example & the possible coming requirement for photo id in order to disenfranchise voters who have neither driving licence or passport.

As with brexit it is up to people’s votes working within the system we have. I think for most people they want put brexit & covid behind them & get on with their lives. Brexit has affected some people badly but for most hardly at all. Possibly food prices would not have risen had we not left but our food prices are considerably lower than say France & in the past we have relied more than most countries on exploited foreign labour for our cheap food.

If we had stayed in by a small margin the brexit & right wing media voices would not have been silenced so my view is for now at least just let them get on with trying to prove how good brexit is but as a UK born pensioner brexit has not really affected my day to day life that much. The reason I voted remain is because I have travelled by road in Europe a fair bit & I like it. In my truck driving days I really loved stopping overnight in random German or French towns & just walking around & taking in the atmosphere. We never joined Schengen but I loved it a few years ago when you could drive across mostly with not even a passport check but this summer my passport was stamped & the clock was ticking on my 90 day EU access. Did voters realise they were ending their own free movement & for their kids & grandkids as well ? Plenty around me didn’t because I asked them. It is how I feel in myself but I understand how my neighbours who’s only experience of Europe is a weeks coach trip or package hols to Spain do not share my view.

If we do again get closer to the EU or even rejoin it will be at the will of voters now too young to vote or even not yet born imo. The main issue now is the creeping authoritarian nature of this government now which of course has been facilitated by brexit but it won’t changed by blaming leave voters who just wanted better public services. It will be changed by voters realising what is happening here.
 
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Yep. The crazy power grab that they are talking about now, this-
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that is not happening because of brexit but because this gov are using brexit as a sort of shield behind which to push through authoritarian shit as if its part of getting brexit done and freeing the country form the shackles of the Eu / the human rights act etc and hoping they get away with the illusion that if its brexity then the people must will it. Genuinely scary shit.
 
Am sure I read a cabinet member stating that food will be cheaper after Brexit?

How the fuck does one bloke end up supplying 1/3 of the country's chickens?
 
Surely, this is the least surprising 'news' of the day?
A self-selecting cohort of those credulous enough to believe that their L vote in the referendum would change anything substantially are obviously more likely to trust those who spun the lies?
 
Hearrtfelt letter in the Grad.
"On a recent trip to France, my newfound freedom meant that I was no longer able to slip from one country to another, but that I was treated as a foreigner on entering France, my passport being stamped and my visit limited. I crept in ashamed to be British, leaving behind a country with empty supermarket shelves, no fuel at the pumps and high Covid levels with shambolic pandemic advice."
 
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