A thank you to Brexiteers.

[Spymaster]

what does this mean, just not being interested in or talking about the whole brexit thing cos its 'done'?

I don't think there's a lack of interest in how it's going to pan-out eventually but most of those who voted leave did so for political reasons which they've achieved. The whole thing hasn't been anywhere near as bad as the doom-mongers were predicting even if it has been handled horrendously in parts, and most people who aren't locked into a way of thinking about it think it'll improve and are taking things day by day. Convincing militant remaniacs of that though is impossible, so nobody tries.

 

[Pickman's model]

Nah bollocks. If I’m wrong explain what it does mean. Getting on with it / making the best of it are nonsense words.

getting on with it is getting on with the damn thing as it unfolds. you've read here fuck loads of times that brexit hasn't been done, it's not a dinner party or a festival but a process which will be going on for years to come. if you don't know brexit by now you'll never never know it

 

[Spymaster]

Everyone on this thread is a moth around the same light, tbf.

I'me not so sure. It's not an informative thread; just an opportunity to slag each other off! It's a knockabout, like the anti-car propaganda one.

 

[bimble]

I don't think there's a lack of interest in how it's going to pan out eventually but most of those who voted leave did so for political reasons which they've achieved. The whole thing hasn't been anywhere near as bad as the doom-mongers were predicting even if it has been handled horrendously in parts and most people who aren't locked into a way of thinking about it think it'll improve.Convincing militant remaniacs of that though is impossible so nobody tries.

Making the best of it is about just waiting for things to improve then. Ok.

 

[Serge Forward]

"Getting on with it" cf. "buck up", "pull yourself together", "move on", "knuckle under"... etc...

 

[Spymaster]

Making the best of it is about just waiting for things to improve then. Ok.

If you like. Waiting and expecting, as opposed to praying for Armageddon like some others!

 

[philosophical]

I’ve been reading Tooze, Meadway and others and especially this:

The Great Recoil

In these times of health emergency, economic collapse, populist anger and ecological threat, societies are forced to turn inward in search of protection. Neoliberalism, the ideology that presided over decades of market globalisation, is on trial, while state intervention is making a spectacular...

www.versobooks.com

I’d be interested in remainer views, as what seems to be inarguable, is a drift away from the underpinning assumptions of the EU economic model. Where does that leave those opposed to leave and who, presumably, want closer economic ties with the EU at some point in the future. How do those who pine for the EU proceed if the foundations on which it was built are crumbling etc

A lot of remainers are pining for losses that go beyond the economic. Freedom of movement being one.

 

[brogdale]

"Getting on with it" cf. "buck up", "pull yourself together", "move on", "knuckle under"... etc...

Like they used to say to the likes of Galloway's mate Alan Sked?

 

[bimble]

I think many of the problems we are starting to see will prove to be permanent or at least very long term and not some little bumpy road teething problems, just the start of the new great Britian. So I’m not going to be as cheerily optimistic as some.

 

[Spymaster]

I think many of the problems we are starting to see will prove to be permanent or at least very long term and not some little bumpy road teething problems, just the start of the new great Britian.

Of course you do. You decided what to think ages ago.

 

[bimble]

Of course you do. You decided what to think ages ago.

No, it’s not that, I’m just not optimistic enough to believe that all uk companies will start paying higher wages & then everything will be like before only we’ll all be richer. That seems nuts to me but it’s what Johnson says and what people on here seem to believe too.

 

[Pickman's model]

No, it’s not that, I’m just not optimistic enough to believe that all uk companies will start paying higher wages & then everything will be like before only we’ll be richer. That seems nuts to me but it’s what Johnson says and what people on here seen to believe too.

your boards seem to be different to my boards

 

[ska invita]

I’m glad you said this . My family are half remain half leave , my friends are around a third remain two thirds leave . When I was back in England last week the only time Brexit was mentioned was when people asked me if it had affected me in Portugal. When I asked , in return , had it affected them people just shrugged and said not really aside from the fact that the Co-op occasionally ran out of things more than it used to . Oh and Hyde’s pub were doing Stowford Press rather than Strongbow . Safe to say I’m the only one on Urban out of the lot of them.

I'm glad you said this - I love a personal anecdote.
Heres how its affected me and friends/family:
Partner and I shouted at to "Leave" out of a passing van the day after the referendum - a step up from pre-referendum having a coin thrown at me and told "theres a euro fuck off back to poland"
My cousin and his wife who started a business here and whose child was born in London have moved away, at least in part because they no longer felt "welcome"
Friends brother has moved back from Spain in which he was long settled as he no longer passed their annual income laws
At work our small euro mail order has dried up, including some very regular expat customers as tax is too high (being mis-applied in many cases from what I can tell too - people are being charged way more than they should)
Not the end of the world tbh, but then I'm not one of the half a million people currently without any legal status to be in the country

ETA: oh and i now live in a country with perpetual tory rule on the back of their nationalist brexit success which has sunk labour below the water line and broken through a cultural barrier of working class voting tory

Tbf the attitude of making the best of the (political) situation applies for every day throughout history, nothing unique about today

 

[Badgers]

Guardian link for TopCat and Spymaster

#projectfear

It was Tory governments that created the low-wage economy – not immigration | Economic policy | The Guardian

amp-theguardian-com.cdn.ampproject.org

 

[The39thStep]

I'm glad you said this - I love a personal anecdote.
Heres how its affected me and friends/family:
Partner and I shouted at to "Leave" out of a passing van the day after the referendum - a step up from pre-referendum having a coin thrown at me and told "theres a euro fuck off back to poland"
My cousin and his wife who started a business here and whose child was born in London have moved away, at least in part because they no longer felt "welcome"
Friends brother has moved back from Spain in which he was long settled as he no longer passed their annual income laws
At work our small euro mail order has dried up, including some very regular expat customers as tax is too high (being mis-applied in many cases from what I can tell too - people are being charged way more than they should)
Not the end of the world tbh, but then I'm not one of the half a million people currently without any legal status to be in the country

ETA: oh and i now live in a country with perpetual tory rule on the back of their nationalist brexit success which has sunk labour below the water line and broken through a cultural barrier of working class voting tory

Tbf the attitude of making the best of the (political) situation applies for every day throughout history, nothing unique about today

Sorry to hear this Ska , especially the abuse you and your wife suffered pre and post referendum in London of all places . My anecdote was simply my anecdote about the the lack of intensity that my family and friends felt about Brexit . Wasn’t wanting to make a broader political point however will come back to you, with my thoughts about how Labour was sunk in due course .

 

[BobDavis]

Having failed to attract foreign drivers to drive short term for UK transport companies Cabotage law is being relaxed. In practice what that will mean is Eastern European reg truck arrives on ferry with fridge trailer loaded with veg for a Tesco rdc. Under current cabotage law after delivering load it could do 1 internal UK load then it would have to reload for continent & take a ferry out of UK.

The change of law will allow the foreign reg truck to arrive in UK then after delivering import load it can work in UK doing unlimited amount of loads for 2 weeks before shipping back abroad say Holland. Whereupon there will be nothing to stop that truck reloading with veg in wharehouse 3 miles from Hook of Holland them shipping back to Harwich on next ferry & working in the UK for another fortnight. Shapps was on LBC this morning crowing about this & how they were saving Christmas etc & even right wing cunt Ferrari was pointing out how this was undercutting UK transport firms.

The trucks will invariably be from Eastern European EU countries but even these countries are having trouble recruiting drivers so they are employing drivers from the Ukraine & Belarus who will be working in the UK for wages of around 400€ per month plus about 20€ a day expenses. The drivers will be living out in their cabs for months. Most of the trucks will be subcontracted to large Dutch transport companies who will be making handsome profits from this.

UK transport firms are screaming blue murder about this but I doubt brexit voters will care even though this is another brexit betrayal. I know about road transport so I understand absolutely what is going on here but I doubt most leave voters will & nor will they care I doubt. Like the prime minister they voted for. They don’t do detail.

 

[Ax^]

as someone remarked to me previously in this thread you should just work harder

 

[Elpenor]

Having failed to attract foreign drivers to drive short term for UK transport companies Cabotage law is being relaxed. In practice what that will mean is Eastern European reg truck arrives on ferry with fridge trailer loaded with veg for a Tesco rdc. Under current cabotage law after delivering load it could do 1 internal UK load then it would have to reload for continent & take a ferry out of UK.

The change of law will allow the foreign reg truck to arrive in UK then after delivering import load it can work in UK doing unlimited amount of loads for 2 weeks before shipping back abroad say Holland. Whereupon there will be nothing to stop that truck reloading with veg in wharehouse 3 miles from Hook of Holland them shipping back to Harwich on next ferry & working in the UK for another fortnight.

The trucks will invariably be from Eastern European EU countries but even these countries are having trouble recruiting drivers so they are employing drivers from the Ukraine & Belarus who will be working in the UK for wages of around 400€ per month plus about 20€ a day expenses. The drivers will be living out in their cabs for months. Most of the trucks will be subcontracted to large Dutch transport companies who will be making handsome profits from this.

UK transport firms are screaming blue murder about this but I doubt brexit voters will care even though this is another brexit betrayal. I know about road transport so I understand absolutely what is going on here but I doubt most leave voters will & nor will they care I doubt. Like the prime minister they voted for. They don’t do detail.

The wonders of neoliberalism

 

[Artaxerxes]

The wonders of neoliberalism

No brexit killed neoliberalism in the UK remember, these are sunlit uplands.

 

[bimble]

This is a thing that might happen next - big lorry driver strike for improved working facilities, safe parking spots, washing places facilities etc.

Christmas ‘held hostage’ as unions threaten mass lorry strikes

A senior union official has threated to 'cut off supply' while a national shortage of drivers is ongoing.

metro.co.uk

I fully support it - fuck xmas and all who obsess about her. The problem here is not just brexit its that the Uk is a shit place to work, the EU has just announced a massive investment in trucking infrastucture so the UK needs to be forced to do the same or better. I hope this strike happens, if only because i think its the best chance of long term solving my access to burrata problem.

 

[editor]

I think many of the problems we are starting to see will prove to be permanent or at least very long term and not some little bumpy road teething problems, just the start of the new great Britian. So I’m not going to be as cheerily optimistic as some.

There's still zero improvement for touring musicians who remain utterly fucked because of fucking Brexit.

 

[Ax^]

I'me not so sure. It's not an informative thread; just an opportunity to slag each other off! It's a knockabout, like the anti-car propaganda one.

really

none of us have suggested grassing each up for weird reasons

 

[Spymaster]

really

none of us have suggested grassing each up for weird reasons

Not sure what you're on about, Ax.

Looks like we're gonna be doing the popstar thing again though.

<snoooooooze>

 

[Ax^]

Not sure what you're on about, Ax.

Looks like we're gonna be doing the popstar thing again though.

<snoooooooze>

popstar thing again?

from the number one attention poster on the boards

you are play devils advocate for a position you have and will shed on a moments notices


good old spymaster

 

[Spymaster]

popstar thing again?

from the number one attention poster on the boards

you are play devils advocate for a position you have and will shed on a moments notices


good old spymaster

You misunderstood, bud.

Check PMs

 

[Pickman's model]

popstar thing again?

from the number one attention poster on the boards

you are play devils advocate for a position you have and will shed on a moments notices


good old spymaster

He's steadfast in his positions which - strangely - are always diametrically opposed to mine

 

[Spymaster]

He's steadfast in his positions which - strangely - are always diametrically opposed to mine

"Strangely?"

 

[two sheds]

 

[Pickman's model]

"Strangely?"

Strangely. You wait to see which way I jump and you go the other way

 

[Spymaster]

Strangely. You wait to see which way I jump and you go the other way

Hopscotch?