A thank you to Brexiteers.

[TopCat]

Guardian letters

They were on this about on Woman's Hour this morning. They made much mention of shifts and hours putting off women from joining and emphasised strength was not a needed quality.

I was hoping they might have continued with consideration for simple needs like toilets and showers and safe park ups.

I doubt many women would accept regularly crapping in a lay-by and improved conditions would benefit everyone inc Kent residents moaning about piss bottles everywhere.

Further, one woman who owned a haulage company was interviewed at length. They were washing their hands of any responsibility for providing or arranging stop off facilities. No mention of getting their trade associations involved or investing in the facilities their drivers need and increasingly demand.

 

[TopCat]

£10 an hour job. Must self invest minimum of £3000 up front and accept regular drug tests. Crapping in a lay-by compulsory. Must like being away from family for elongated periods of time. Poor prospects and longevity not usual.
Apply within or get a job in Lidl paying more per hour for stacking shelves. Choose.
Oh! You don’t fancy it? Why should anyone!

 

[Raheem]

Drain the swamp

Give the floaters what they want!

 

[The39thStep]

£10 an hour job. Must self invest minimum of £3000 up front and accept regular drug tests. Crapping in a lay-by compulsory. Must like being away from family for elongated periods of time. Poor prospects and longevity not usual.
Apply within or get a job in Lidl paying more per hour for stacking shelves. Choose.
Oh! You don’t fancy it? Why should anyone!

Yes but prices will rise

 

[bimble]

Yes but prices will rise

" But what about rising prices?"

Yes but prices will rise

Can you explain this joke please? Is it that you think prices will not rise as a result of brexit or is it that you think more expensive food is a thing that will only impact rich out of touch remoaniacs ?

 

[Yossarian]

Can you explain this joke please? Is it that you think prices will not rise as a result of brexit or is it that you think more expensive food is a thing that will only impact rich out of touch remoaniacs ?

Somebody on Twitter complained about rising wages for lorry drivers causing food prices to rise, and people kind of ran with it,

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Somebody on Twitter complained about rising wages for lorry drivers causing food prices to rise, and people kind of ran with it,

It’s a fairly common complaint of the middle classes as to why the lower orders should not be paid a decent wage, tbf. See also, tube drivers.

 

[Yossarian]

It’s a fairly common complaint of the middle classes as to why the lower orders should not be paid a decent wage, tbf. See also, tube drivers.

Yep, though I can't recall anybody here making that argument and being rightfully pilloried for doing so.

 

[andysays]

Yep, though I can't recall anybody here making that argument and being rightfully pilloried for doing so.

A few people certainly seemed a bit put out by the suggestion that the era of cheap food might be over.

I'm on my phone ATM so can't be bothered to check exactly who, but I'm sure it's there if you have a look.

 

[bimble]

Yeah i still don't get it .
If food does get more expensive, it's not Remoaniacs who will feel it first because obvs we are all rich and shop at waitrose anyway.
And if people think the supermarkets are not going to pass on their increased costs to shoppers i'd like to know why you think that.

 

[Saul Goodman]

Yeah i still don't get it .
If food does get more expensive, it's not Remoaniacs who will feel it first because obvs we are all rich and shop at waitrose anyway.
And if people think the supermarkets are not going to pass on their increased costs to shoppers i'd like to know why you think that.

I hope everyone has to pay enough to afford everyone else a decent wage, but I can't see wages increasing to cover those costs.

 

[Spymaster]

It’s a fairly common complaint of the middle classes as to why the lower orders should not be paid a decent wage, tbf. See also, tube drivers.

Well this is the primary selfishness of the remoniac argument isn't it? "Me, me, me, me, me".

 

[bimble]

Making jokes about food prices going up, like its a ridiculous middle class thing to be concerned about, seems not just illogical but also pretty off to me, given that hundreds of thousands of people already rely on food banks, universal credit is about to be cut and NI hiked. I mean, I'll be fine, i can pay more for my avocados no problem, but i dont get the joke.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Well this is the primary selfishness of the remoniac argument isn't it? "Me, me, me, me, me".

Thatcher's children

 

[Yossarian]

Making jokes about food prices going up, like its a ridiculous middle class thing to be concerned about, seems not just illogical but also pretty off to me, given that hundreds of thousands of people already rely on food banks, universal credit is about to be cut and NI hiked. I mean, I'll be fine, i can pay more for my avocados no problem, but i dont get the joke.

Yep, food price rises aren't something to joke about in a country where almost a third of children live in poverty - and yet it's somehow acceptable for supermarkets to pass the cost of paying workers a fair wage on to the consumer, not to shareholders who might have to deal with the horror of lower dividends.

 

[bimble]

Yep, food price rises aren't something to joke about in a country where almost a third of children live in poverty - and yet it's somehow acceptable for supermarkets to pass the cost of paying workers a fair wage on to the consumer, not to shareholders who might have to deal with the horror of lower dividends.

Well that's the thing, people joking about it do they think that its the shareholders will take the hit ?

 

[brogdale]

Increasing prices faster than wages (green above red line below) creating negative real wage 'growth'. has long been capital's coping mechanism response to recession. If unearned income (dividends) is to be maintained, it's a no-brainer.

 

[The39thStep]

But food prices might go up................

From Retail Gazette

Sainsbury’s recently-appointed chief executive Simon Roberts was paid a £583,000 bonus in his first nine months on the job despite the grocer posting a £261 million full year loss.

Roberts’ fixed salary being £736,000, his total pay for the year ending March 6 – less than a year after he stepped into the chief executive role – was £1.32 million.

While Sainsbury’s annual report, published this week, indicated that Roberts did indeed waive his annual bonus, he was still paid a separate £583,000 award based around a long term incentive plan known internally as Future Builder.

Sainsbury’s chief financial officer Kevin O’Byrne, who took home £2.32 million for the financial year ending March 6.

This comprised an annual bonus of £828,000, a long term incentive plan award of £674,000 and a fixed salary of £822,000.

 

[bimble]

But food prices might go up................

From Retail Gazette

Do you think that the lorry drivers increased pay will come out of these people’s salaries ? It won’t.

 

[Supine]

Well this is the primary selfishness of the remoniac argument isn't it? "Me, me, me, me, me".

Literally the opposite of the case though isn’t it. Remain (not remoan) was about ‘us’ being europeans as opposed to brexiteers who wanted us and ‘them’ europeans.

 

[philosophical]

Literally the opposite of the case though isn’t it. Remain (not remoan) was about ‘us’ being europeans as opposed to brexiteers who wanted us and ‘them’ europeans.

I agree with this. The selfish ones are those who voted for and support Brexit.
The ones for example who sneer at the concept of cooperation with others in Europe, and blithely say that other Europeans would not give you the steam off their piss.
Selfish and indeed racist Brexit cunts who hold that view.
But those cunts won and are now in charge….selfishness formalised and embedded in the land.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Do you think that the lorry drivers increased pay will come out of these people’s salaries ? It won’t.

Wilfully missing the point. Lorry drivers get an increase to make a decent wage = prices will go up. Executives get obscene pay rises + bonuses = nothing, not a peep.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Literally the opposite of the case though isn’t it. Remain (not remoan) was about ‘us’ being europeans as opposed to brexiteers who wanted us and ‘them’ europeans.

You still are a European. As are Serbians too.

 

[Supine]

You still are a European. As are Serbians too.

You know full well what I mean

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

You know full well what I mean

The right kind of European.

 

[brogdale]

Literally the opposite of the case though isn’t it. Remain (not remoan) was about ‘us’ being europeans as opposed to brexiteers who wanted us and ‘them’ europeans.

But getting hung up on the affective domain stuff like this is the mirror of the vacuous, superficial "take back control" tosh. Either side can project what it likes on the motives of the other but we're left with the neoliberal reality that survives whatever.

 

[brogdale]

Wilfully missing the point. Lorry drivers get an increase to make a decent wage = prices will go up. Executives get obscene pay rises + bonuses = nothing, not a peep.

Maybe true, but those executives are remunerated so obscenely precisely because they will ensure that any cost-push inflation for the corporation will be passed onto consumers. To do otherwise would threaten the very reason for their role which is to protect dividends to shareholders at all cost. Functional distribution of income stuff, innit?

 

[Supine]

Either side can project what it likes on the motives of the other but we're left with the neoliberal reality that survives whatever.

Neoliberal wasn’t on the ballet. I’d have thought neoliberalism with European checks and balances would be better than a Tory far right version we’ll get with Brexit.

 

[bimble]

Wilfully missing the point. Lorry drivers get an increase to make a decent wage = prices will go up. Executives get obscene pay rises + bonuses = nothing, not a peep.

The Point that I’m missing is that there are people who are massively overpaid ? How is that a point though. I mean, I know that, it’s always been true & its not going to change as a result of brexit. We were talking about food prices going up. You can say that instead of food prices going up these people should be paid less, or shareholders should take the hit, but it won’t actually happen that way will it.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

The Point that I’m missing is that there are people who are massive overpaid ? How is that a point, I know that, it’s not going to change as a result of brexit. We were talking about food prices going up.

Why are food prices going to go up?