A thank you to Brexiteers.

[TopCat]

In a "points based" system, who do you think determines the points?

If they unrestricted immigration from India to the UK for those with professional qualifications you would find the bleating from the middle class remainers deafening.

 

[TopCat]

Nothing; makes the Lexit cheerleading look odd.

Right wing lexiteers maybe.

 

[bimble]

You think UKGOV is planning to open up to the rest of the world on the same level as the EU is open within itself? Seems unlikely; I'll believe it when I see it.

Not ‘ free movement’ On the EU model but I think in time (not long) we will see arranged immigration from poorer counties put in place to try to bring as many people here as will be needed to try to fill the vacancies without having to change anything about pay and conditions, so expect Uk will compete with other rich countries for (example) care workers from the Philippines etc.

 

[TopCat]

Not ‘ free movement’ On the EU model but I think in time (not long) we will see arranged immigration from poorer counties put in place to try to bring as many people here as will be needed to try to fill the vacancies without having to change anything about pay and conditions, so expect Uk will compete with other rich countries for (example) care workers from the Philippines etc.

Well there are no significant moves to do this.

 

[TopCat]

“I got this marvellous accountant darling, really cheap and they work on Sundays!”

 

[bimble]

Well there are no significant moves to do this.

It was just a prediction. But we are an ageing population with low birth rate. We either need immigrants or we need to have a smaller economy (with fewer jobs needing doing).

 

[Artaxerxes]

Well there are no significant moves to do this.

Sure sure.

Exclusive | India Pushes Post-Brexit UK For Easier Visa Norms, Lower Trade Barriers

Ahead of Boris Johnson's visit later in 2021, India and the UK are sitting at the negotiation table.

www.moneycontrol.com

UK-India agree partnership to boost work visas for Indian nationals

UK and India have signed an ambitious new migration partnership, which will see both countries benefit from a new scheme for Indian and British professionals.

www.gov.uk

 

[TopCat]

It was just a prediction. But we are an ageing population with low birth rate. We either need immigrants or we need to have a smaller economy (with fewer jobs needing doing).

More automation, reduce unemployment.

 

[TopCat]

Sure sure.

Exclusive | India Pushes Post-Brexit UK For Easier Visa Norms, Lower Trade Barriers

Ahead of Boris Johnson's visit later in 2021, India and the UK are sitting at the negotiation table.

www.moneycontrol.com

But are there any signs India’s ask will be met? The government would not dare.

 

[Artaxerxes]

But are there any signs India’s ask will be met? The government would not dare.

Updated it, it's already been met.

 

[brogdale]

Well there are no significant moves to do this.

 

[TopCat]

Updated it, it's already been met.

Spell out what’s has been agreed then and when this will be implemented.

 

[brogdale]

Right wing lexiteers maybe.

I accept that the cheerleading from Lexiteers many have been unconscious.

 

[bimble]

More automation, reduce unemployment.

 

[brogdale]

Edifying spectacle this; the keep the foreigners out mob vrs the let (but only European) foreigners in brigades.

 

[TopCat]

I accept that the cheerleading from Lexiteers many have been unconscious.

Unconscious cheerleading is fascinating.

 

[brogdale]

Unconscious cheerleading is fascinating.

depressing, more like.

 

[Artaxerxes]

We will have to see how this shit shakes out over the next few years because Covid has taken a big old shit on any long term plans or investigation right now.

I'm sure the conservatives have plans and are going to use every ounce of national trauma to get them through as per the shock doctrine. Situation is quite raw though. It's also a mere 8 months post Freedom Day

 

[bimble]

Edifying spectacle this; the keep the foreigners out mob vrs the let (but only European) foreigners in brigades.

It’s fine, we will just have nice blonde immigrants from Australia.

 

[Spymaster]

It’s fine, we will just have nice blonde immigrants from Australia.

And India.

 

[bimble]

The government's Shortage Occupations List - the jobs where you don't need to meet the points based system (don't need to be paid "the full rate") in order to come to the UK - is an interesting read. I think likely to be tinkered with endlessly according to the needs of business.

Skilled Worker visa: immigration salary list

Check which jobs are on the immigration salary list in each area of the UK. For the Skilled Worker visa and the Health and Care visa.

www.gov.uk

 

[Artaxerxes]

The government's Shortage Occupations List - the jobs where you don't need to meet the points based system (don't need to be paid "the full rate") in order to come to the UK - is an interesting read. I think likely to be tinkered with endlessly according to the needs of business.

Skilled Worker visa: immigration salary list

Check which jobs are on the immigration salary list in each area of the UK. For the Skilled Worker visa and the Health and Care visa.

www.gov.uk

This looks telling...

Immigration: No visas for low-skilled workers, government says

Ministers urge firms to stop relying on "cheap labour", but critics warn of damage to the economy.

www.bbc.co.uk

Under the plan, the definition of skilled workers would be expanded to include those educated to A-level/Scottish Highers-equivalent standard, not just graduate level, as is currently the case.
Waiting tables and certain types of farm worker would be removed from the new skilled category, but new additions would include carpentry, plastering and childminding

 

[Artaxerxes]

The government's Shortage Occupations List - the jobs where you don't need to meet the points based system (don't need to be paid "the full rate") in order to come to the UK - is an interesting read. I think likely to be tinkered with endlessly according to the needs of business.

Skilled Worker visa: immigration salary list

Check which jobs are on the immigration salary list in each area of the UK. For the Skilled Worker visa and the Health and Care visa.

www.gov.uk

Oh man archaeologists to.

Which given some of the fuckery in current education circles with that job is shit. It's also paid like shit, and very insecure.

2114	Social and humanities scientists – only archaeologists	England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland	80% of going rate: £20,720(£10.22 per hour)

I thought Sally's next job was in cyber?

2135	IT business analysts, architects and systems designers – all jobs	England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland	80% of going rate: £29,280(£14.44 per hour)
2136	Programmers and software development professionals – all jobs	England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland	80% of going rate: £26,640(£13.14 per hour)
2137	Web design and development professionals – all jobs	England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland	80% of going rate: £20,800(£10.26 per hour)
2139	Information technology and communications professionals not elsewhere classified – only cyber security specialists	England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland	80% of going rate: £25,440(£12.54 per hour)

 

[bimble]

It's a mad list, "All Artists" can come here at 80% of the going rate which is apparently £8.28 per hour. What?

 

[Spymaster]

I think likely to be tinkered with endlessly according to the needs of business.

That’s the point of it!

 

[bimble]

That’s the point of it!

Yes! Its great isnt it. Like it could say, 'care workers' 40% of going rate'. That would be good.

 

[brogdale]

It’s fine, we will just have nice blonde immigrants from Australia.

So fucking depressing; politics reduced to arguing the merits of the origin of the workers that capital will exploit in the UK.

 

[Pickman's model]

So fucking depressing; politics reduced to arguing the merits of the origin of the workers that capital will exploit in the UK.

join the army of labour and see the world

 

[Pickman's model]

It's a mad list, "All Artists" can come here at 80% of the going rate which is apparently £8.28 per hour. What?

you think that's mad, check out the chemical scientists (nuclear industry only)

 

[bimble]

you think that's mad, check out the chemical scientists (nuclear industry only)

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That’s less surprising than the fact that we apparently need more graphic designers.